General Alexander Lebed. Michael Medved is a censorship-promoting movie critic.
Bodhisattva
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Medved Bites the Dust
by Carmel indid anyone hear about alexander medved meeting his demise in an helicopter crash in russia?
if so, there goes the king of the north theory #14 as promulgated by one of our former contributors... watch out putin, you were on the list... carmel
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WTC Electronic Hijacking Update
by SYN inreporting back on the hijacking of the planes that hit the wtc/pentagon using remote control devices!
grabbed it from http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=75&contentid=306&page=2 (it's short so i just pasted it in the forum box!).
in the mid-seventies america faced a new and escalating crisis, with us commercial jets being hijacked for geopolitical reasons.. determined to gain the upper hand in this new form of aerial warfare, two american multinationals collaborated with the defense advanced projects agency (darpa) on a project designed to facilitate the remote recovery of hijacked american aircraft.
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Bodhisattva
If the 19 men implicated in these genocide hijackings are not guilty, I would like to know where the people who where are those who were expecting them? Whenever I've made trips by plane, I have had someone expecting me or have had at least rental car or hotel reservation.
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In 1968 WTower they said -
by mouthy ini have just finished reading watchtower of aug 15th 1968.
( i was still there then) i couldnt believe what i'm reading & i qoute.
"are we to assume from this study that the battle of armageddon will be over by the autumn of 1975 & the longed looked for thousand year reign of christ will begin by then?
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Bodhisattva
I hate to say it, but I don't know that the theory of the time between Adam's creation and Eve's creation has ever been formally revoked. In which case the question of when Cain was born becomes important. Why? Because, if the WTS wants to revise their chronology only slightly, they can say that little time needs to have passed between Eve's creation and the first sin, or between the first sin and Cain's birth. Thus if Adam was 130 when Cain was born (I do not recall what the WTS chronology says), then Eve may have been created only about a year before, sinned along with Adam, been banished, then become pregnant. In the extreme she might have been pregnant before the banishment. Thus a new deadline of 2205 (if Adam was 130, 1975 + 130) could be established. It would not spur on activity now, but it would continue to justify the existence of the WTS.
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BOE 2-15-02 What Does It Really Say?
by silentlambs inin the 2-15-02 body of elders letter a paragraph is dedicated to child abuse issues.
many have claimed this an adjustment for the better with regard to wt policy.
sadly this could not be further from the truth.
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Bodhisattva
Path, I agree with a lot of what you said. But won't the elders go to the authorities, regardless of the wishes of the victim, if the Legal Department tells them to do so?
In an NPR interview Thursday or Friday, a cardinal explained how in the past if the victims reported on a priest but asked that the police not get involved, their wishes were respected. But now, he said, in his diocese they would respond that the police should be called, and he opined that this should happen everywhere.
So should the wishes of the victims be respected? Or is their reluctance to go to the police merely a continuation of their reverance for the abuser that may have been instrumental in the abuse?
For the silentlambs cause, I would recommend summarizing things something like this for each issue:
Problem: For many years, victims in non-reporting states have been discouraged from going to the civil authorities so as to prevent besmirching the congregation's reputation, especially when no judicial action is taken. Some are even threatened with punishment, and some have been disfellowshipped for doing so.
Response: The February 15, 2002 letter to bodies of elders in the United States instructs "Never suggest to anyone that they should not report an allegation to the police or other authorities. If you are asked, make it clear that whether to report the matter to the authorities or not is a personal decision for each individual to make and that there are no congregation sanctions for either decision. That is, no elder would criticize anyone who reports an allegation to the authorities. [emphasis added]"
Comment: While this gets rid of the disfellowshipping, it does not do away with the fear. To a witness, being told that there are not sanctions or criticism for doing something is code for saying that something is wrong but not punishable. Why would one have to say 'there is no punishment for doing this' about something that is not only not wrong, but a civic responsibility? Very often the elder will not be asked about whether the allegation should be reported, because the same power over the victim that allowed the abuser to do these things also makes the victim feel guilty about telling. The Watchtower should instruct elders to encourage the victims to alert the civil authorities to any allegations and, even if they doubt the victims credibility, they sould alert the authorities themselves if the victim does not.
Something like this that tells people where we started, what has happened so far, and what more needs to be done, would be a good thing on the silentlambs website.
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Landover Bapist under attack!
by Elsewhere inhere is a crazy site that is trying to shut down the landover baptist web site.
i can't help but wonder if it is a joke.. http://207.67.219.101/objective/index.html.
fyi: landover is located at: www.landoverbaptist.com.
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Bodhisattva
I'm still trying to nail it down as a joke. If it's not, it's scary. Touches a lot of nerves - censorware, America as a Christian nation (as opposed to a secular one), and so on. But this got me to laugh, even if it wasn't supposed to:
Any message you read claiming to be from Jim Carlson or any other OBJECTIVE: Ministries member that contains vulgarities, sexual innuendo, bad poetry, or other un-Christian sentiments is to be considered a FRAUD and ignored.
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Child abuse policy
by Smitty inthe pope is considering adopting a child abuse policy similar to jw's.
they've already accepted the policy of 'one strike youre out'.
now they're considering applying it to those cases that involve pass offences.
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Bodhisattva
So the Catholic Church will promptly start threatening victims of child sexual abuse with excommunication if they tell anyone?
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The Usual Jaw Dropping WT Hypocrisy
by metatron inthe latest watchtower contains a life experience from a. brother in nigeria.
he recalls an incident from his youth.. "another time, the principal of the baptist school attempted.
to abuse me sexually.
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Bodhisattva
Meanwhile the Watchtower continues the misconception, also being advanced by some in the Catholic Church, that this is about homosexuality. This is rape, and rape is about power, not sex.
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Bodhisattva
If not, he is probably barely tickling the beast. I've been to farm shows, and let me tell you, the boy sheep are well endowed.
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Problems in all religions
by Dawn insomething happened at my church today that i wanted to share with you all.
the church i attend now is quite large.
1800+ members, as well as hundreds of other regular attenders.
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Bodhisattva
I agree with Dakota's statement,
I would think a background check for someone left alone with small children is what would be required. (emphasis added)
I agree that the reason behind this rule is valid. It goes to show the difficulty of making rules that are just and fair. Even legislators, selected by the majority as their best representatives, often trained in political science, economics, and the minutiae of public policy, make mistakes. And they expect window washers to do this, and without review by the congregation? -
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JW molester in the news
by silentlambs inhttp://www.bergen.com/page.php?level_3_id=7&page=3284376.
a west milford man pleaded guilty to child endangerment offenses friday for sexual encounters he had with two teenage girls he met through his membership at the jehovah's witnesses temple in town.. tom blankenship, 23, had been befriended by an elder at the church and was often invited over for meals and visits, said joseph del russo, passaic county chief assistant prosecutor.. from the fall of 1998 through april 2000, blankenship had sexual relations with one of the elder's relatives, a 17-year-old girl.
he had similar sexual contact with another relative, a 14-year-old girl, from june 2001 through feb. 21, del russo said.. although there was no physical force used in the incidents, blankenship was charged with multiple sexual assault charges because of the victims' ages.
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Bodhisattva
Bill -
Hopefully it is clear from my own post that I did not think having sex with the 14 year old was excusable, but rather that I was working to indict a system that stunts emotional maturation so that, possibly, this young man was less a monster and more a pathetic figure. Again, not excusable, but indicative of a flawed organization.
I find some fault with the journalist in not indicating whether it is the current age of the girls or their age when the "relationships" started that is cited. If he started with the 17 year old when she was 17, the time range makes no sense, since she clearly would have been 18, and legally of age, for a portion of the time. This pushes this fellow toward the monster category. I'm sure the same paper would not be so obscure in an article about Roman Polanski, suggesting he molested a 37 year old, but rather that he molested a 13 year old in 1978, who is now 37.
The lack of similar clarification for this brief report hopefully excuses some of us for miscalculating ages of victimhood. I for one am concerned about the entire issue of intermediate ages and levels of criminality, and so jumped on this story as a vehicle to discuss the issue. Clearly to me an adult of any age should not have sex with a 13-year old, but the crime should be different in the law books - and often is - than a person of 18 or 19 having sex with a 17 year old.
As to the elder reporting to the police, we do not know if he first went to other elders, and if so if he was in any way dissuaded from going to the secular authorities. Obviously he did the right thing, but we can again be excused for questioning whether he would have done so in different circumstances.