Posts by TheListener

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Letter that my DFed wife received from her Pioneer Mother

by Hangin_on in

we have been dfed for almost 3.5yrs and have been trying to get back in for 2 yrs and we are getting the runaround.. anyway..... here is the letter my pregnant wife received from her elderess pioneer mother.. .

dear mary,.

i am writing to ask you please do not try to talk to me until you are reinstated.

TheListener

Hanging On,

I feel for you. It's obvious that you love God and are seeking to worship him the "right" way.

Please do some research on legalism in religion. Witnesses can be loving and kind individuals, but the organization is legalistic and reminiscent of the Pharisees. It sounds too awful to believe, which is why I think you should do some research on religious legalism.

Do yourself a huge favor and lift the weight from your heart - read a few threads here on disfellowshipping and its scripturalness. Jesus died so that we wouldn't be over burdened by our sinful nature - he took our sin onto himself and told us specifically that "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart; and you shall find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy, and My load is light” (Matt. 11:28).

The following link is one of many many links that you may wish to check out (it may prove to be like cooling waters for you): http://www.geocities.com/hotsprings/3658/subtle.html

Good luck on your journey and congratulations on the impending addition to your family. Having children is one the greatest things in my life. I remember their births like yesterday.

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Mixed Race Couples - WTS literature

by TheListener in

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friends

has anyone ever seen a mixed race couple shown in paradise in the wts literature?.

i haven't.

i've seen pictures of modern day mixed race couples but never ever in paradise..

TheListener

I know many many interracial couples in the organization, and many of them are at bethel - that isn't the point of my thread though.

Only one picture has been posted that MAY show an interracial couple in paradise.

Has anyone seen an inter-racial couple in a paradise picture in the WTS literature? I will say that I do not recall ever seeing one.

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Do any of the Aussies remember Dave Madzay?

by Holey_Cheeses*King_of_the juice. in

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he was one of the chiefs at the australian bethel during the late 70's early 80's.

i used to enjoy his talks at assemblies - he had something special about him.

he was dfd (supposedly for apostasy).

TheListener

Donna, are you saying that Dave Madzay wasn't disfellowshipped? If so, that goes against my personal knowledge. Which I'm not saying is impossible, perhaps he was reinstated?

No offense meant, I am really just asking the question in all sincerity.

I am truly sorry that you lost someone you felt such a bond with.

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blood fractions not allowed

by pippy in

i just spoke to a friend who was a witness years ago when we were kids and she told me an interesting thing.

when she went to the hospital to discuss things due to her being pregnant and going to have a baby at this hospital , they told her that the brisbane and gold coast hospitals were no longer going to offer jw's blood fractions.

they are sick and tired of all the unclear sayings and that ppl dont even know what they will accept or not , and they are having so many problems that they have a new form to be filled out.

TheListener

However, if blood fractions are available and not used, when a witness will accept them, who would be responsible if the individual dies?

Doesn't a medical institution have to use what technology is available, and accepted by the patient, to save a life?

I hate the blood policy and worry about my family all the time. However, I was successful in convincing my wife that blood fractions are ok. I would hate to have her die anyway because the hospital would refuse to provide the fractions.

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Mixed Race Couples - WTS literature

by TheListener in

jw
friends

has anyone ever seen a mixed race couple shown in paradise in the wts literature?.

i haven't.

i've seen pictures of modern day mixed race couples but never ever in paradise..

TheListener

Has anyone ever seen a mixed race couple shown in paradise in the WTS literature?

I haven't. I've seen pictures of modern day mixed race couples but never ever in paradise.

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Missing the meeting... AGAIN

by 5thGeneration in

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pretended to be sleeping.. wife and kids got ready and left without me.. wife's gonna be pissed when she gets home.. well at least i have football to watch..

TheListener

Quandry, those are all fine ideas. But, the reality is if his wife wants to go to the meeting she will view those things as him purposely trying to subvert her faith.

There isn't a way to win in this situation.

If you go you're miserable and your wife knows it and gets pissed.

If you don't go you're happy but your wife is miserable and she gets pissed.

I think one thing you could do is give her a sentence or two that she can memorize to answer those at the KH who ask about you.

Make it something simple and memorable. Tell her you know it's dificult answering questions about someone else's situation and this simple phrase should help. Perhaps some others on the board can suggest a good short phrase.

I do not help my wife get the kids ready. If she wants to attend with them she can get them ready. I watch tv or eat breakfast or sleep; depending on how I feel that morning. It used to cause trouble but in the last 6 months things have become fairly routinized.

Good luck.

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I couldn't skip a discussion of Sept KM Question Box

by OnTheWayOut in

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friends

with comparing what other experts have to say, just as the witnesses did?".

"well, what have you found wrong with the nwt?".

' without comparing and .

TheListener

My God!! Were you listening to a conversation my wife and I had?

You're so right, they don't actually listen to a thing we say.

In my opinion they actually listen to just enough to find a plausible (to them at least) error in your statement or reasoning so their justified in ignoring everything else you say on the subject.

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Will the Book Study ever be dropped from the weekly meetings?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the book study is one of the most useless meetings.

the same books have been studied 3 or 4 times.the meeting takes only an hour but takes up most of your evening.

and, it is one of the least attended meetings.. why haven't they combined the watchtower study with just question and answer and then follow with the book study with just question and answer?

TheListener

Oh doubting bro - yee of little faith. bwaaaahaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaa

Just wait and see.....

(no I'm not a bethel monitor)

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Sad Sept KM QB part tonight. They have a plan. Sad.

by oompa in

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the question does say it is witnesses getting these study groups up.

one scripture you will not hear during the part is the one scripture jesus himself spoke of small groups getting together, this one:.

matt 18:20 "for where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there i am in their midst.".

TheListener

Sorry to here this Oompa.

I hope you and your wife can continue to move forward and work things out.

My wife and I have come to an unspoken agreement. We don't discuss the truth unless I've drunk too much or she has pms. Not bad really, but these two circumstances tend to coincide all too frequently. :)

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The Effect of Losing Elders

by metatron in

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losing elders in the us puts the organization into quite a dilemma.

they hate large congregations.

but can't split without enough appointed local 'enforcers'.

TheListener

I know and knew a lot of great elders. You could always tell who they were because they were talking to the friends and looked tired because they do all the work.

What I miss most?: hanging out and reading the announcement board during the meeting. Oh man I ved being out of my seat and roaming the back of the hall. Sometimes I would go out to the parking lot 'to make sure there is no funny business going on out there'. hehehehehhe - ahhhh the fresh air, I remember it well.