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  July KM Week of July 25

  by dontplaceliterature in

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  2. friends

  did anyone catch the fact that the study edition of the watchtower was compared to a letter from paul (which was inspired by god for the benefit of all mankind...evidently)?.

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  TheListener

  That's the beauty of the WTS. They put the idea in print and the conductor and congregation add the intended meaning verbally.

  It's a win-win for the WTS

  Win 1: the point is driven home by the local congregation which means they take ownership of the point because they feel like they're included and important.

  Win 2: The WTS has no statement on record with this particular article of making the direct comparison and a month from now no one will believe an apostate or doubter who happens to remember the comments the audience and conductor made.

  Sigh....
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  Elder body removed – Watchtower letter

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  elder body removed watchtower letter.

  an elder body was removed last year in california.

  most folks have never seen a watchtower letter breaking this news.

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  I wonder what the meetings are like? I wonder if they give parts? Do the local brothers and sisters support them or treat them any differently? What an odd situation.

  It's like the BS votes in each KH when a new motion is made by the local corporation. There are never any nay's only yea's. I remember sitting there in my own local congregations thinking 'this doesn't make sense' but not having the courage to say 'nay'. to the vote.
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  If you have sex with your spouse after you find out he/she cheated on you, you cannot divorce them.

  by Chemical Emotions in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the key to family happiness book, the wbts says that if you have sex with your marriage mate after they cheat on you, and you knew it, you cannot divorce them.. i was disgusted by learning that.

  i only discovered this recently, but i am very angry.

  what if your husand tells you that he'll keep screwing other women if you don't have sex with him?

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  Remember the old days when Oral and Anal sex were not considered sexual relations and not worthy of allowing a divorce? What Pharisaical HorseCrap.
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  Elder body removed – Watchtower letter

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  elder body removed watchtower letter.

  an elder body was removed last year in california.

  most folks have never seen a watchtower letter breaking this news.

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  TheListener

  Property is expensive. It took the WTS decades to acquire all the property and KHs they currently own. At the rate they're going all of the best, most valuable properties will be gone and along with it the revenue stream they generated.

  Once the property is gone what will they sell next - their soul? Nah, they've done that.
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  Could you eat breakfast after watching this at Bethel?

  by Dogpatch in

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  2. friends

  this is a partial video of the morning breakfast table in brooklyn bethel in the late 80s, with lyman swingle hosting... the governing body member who at first tried to shelter ray franz from disfellowshipping, but then within a year or two his spirit was broken and he was a bitter man.. randy (i was there and it was death-dealing, like the death eaters from harry potter!).

  address of windows media file if you don't see anything:.

  http://www.randytv.com/swinglebreakfast.wmv.

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  This was a good one compared to Couch or Gangas.
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  Service Meeting says "Leave Everything"

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this has probably been addressed, but i'm in a rush and wanted to get this out asap while it's fresh and before i have to run off again.

  and i don't have the km with me to note the exact instructions and passages discussed, anyway.... last week in the service meeting, there was an unusual part that i wish i would have been prepared for.

  the only material was to read a couple passages from luke and discuss how they affect our attitude toward our ministry.

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  Let's face it a ton of witnesses are just going through the motions. They listen to the FDS and they believe all of it on the surface but their actual lifestyles and choices show something different.

  Imagine a witness from the 1950s or 1960s running into a witness today. I think the 1950s/60s witness would be totally shocked and disgusted.
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  To ex-elders,that are df'ed, disassociated, fadeing and a wife thats still in please answer this.

  by TheLoveDoctor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  me ex elder, pioneer was very active but am trying to fade.

  one elder knows how i feel and i would not talk to anyone but him.

  i miss most meetings now.

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  I've faded and my wife is still in. It stinks.
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  New here - hello!

  by sickandtired in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i can't believe i'm actually posting here.

  i've been lurking for a while and i've been having doubts about this being the "truth" for years and sometimes feel really stuck and hopeless about my situation.

  i'm married to an elder (who is 110% jw) and i was for the most part raised in the "truth".

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  TheListener

  Welcome Sickandtired.

  Like others on the board I'm very glad you posted. It does us all good to share our thoughts and feelings and to get feedback from others in similar situations.

  I remember when I was first beginning to realize that I didn't believe everything I had been taught since infancy. I would wake up in the middle of the night during stormy weather and just lie there "knowing" that the end was coming and I would be killed by God for my faithlessness. I would pray and pray and pray that my thinking would be readjusted and knew that if I just studied more, associated with the friends more and pushed my doubts aside I would get better.

  I tried those things but after awhile nothing felt real to me. I could force an emotional response to reading a life story in the Awake magazine but I just couldn't agree with all the doctrinal rules and regulations I had been taught my whole llife.

  It took me several years to fade. At each step of the process my wife became angrier and angrier with me. She never threatened to leave and in fact told me she wouldn't. But, that didn't make her pleased with what I was doing. In her eyes I was turning my back on God and was on my way to being a drug smoking, alcoholic gambler who had multiple affairs. Now, I've been free of the witnesses for over 5 years and I am none of those things she thought I'd be. Unfortunately she is still a devoted Witness.

  If you've read CoC and found it sincere (as did I) then you are truly on your way to mental freedom. Shedding ourselves of a lifetime of indoctrination takes time and effort. Doing this while married to a Witness just adds to the complexity of the situation.

  I found the key to be slow and steady. Don't push your husband too far. Let him see that you are living your life in a decent moral manner even though you are slowly unraveling years of indoctrinated thought. Let him see your personality shine as you grow. And all of this without the fear of being cut off from God's grace and the light load that Jesus gives us.

  Stay strong and take it one day at a time.
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  District Assembly has my mom complete brainwashed again. Look like I'm in trouble.

  by scooterspank in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  well, my worst fears have com to fruition.

  too emotionally exhausted for details but she came home last night from her assembly.

  the night ended with her in tears, telling me i'm going to die.

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  Witnesses schedule conventions, assemblies and meetings without regard to worldly holidays. It's part of their neutrality and emphasizes their dedication to God.
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  Prince - Women (people) are Happy with No Choice

  by skeeter1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.examiner.com/fashion-in-atlanta/singer-prince-says-burka-clad-women-love-it.

  pop tartssinger prince says islamic women 'happy' having to wear burqaspublished june 27, 2011.

  prince (ap).

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  TheListener

  He must not give talks - he has facial hair.