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  Why JW's don't vote. (found on msn.com)

  by Mulan in

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  http://www.slate.com/id/2194321/&gt1=39001.

  just turned on my internet, and this was on the front page..

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  TheListener

  I saw it too. Read it.

  All in all it was an ok article. It brought up the 1999 WT QFR about voting being a conscience matter and that even if witnesses did vote they wouldn't be courted by anyone because their just too small a segment of society.
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  The contagion is spreading - lots of people quietly leaving JWs

  by truthseeker in

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  from reading reports on jwd it seems that many are in the process of quietly leaving the watchtower organization.. it's almost become disease like - and spreading rapidly, even acutely in lands where access to information is greater.. people who i've known for years have suddenly disappeared - it reads like a stephen king novel.. what have you noticed?.

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  Actually I've recently discovered a couple people who moved to a new town and new hall - actually moved and faded.

  I was completely taken aback to realize they faded away and I didn't even know it. Of course, they were just as surprised to find out I faded too.

  I've noticed a lot less energetic activity being performed by even the most zealous dubs. It's become a tradition or routine. The message has lost its emergency factor.
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  Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

  by Dogpatch in

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  having problem pasting this...

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  I remember the the bridge day and the knife in the desk speech.

  I absolutely loved getting an early dismissal from work. Whether it was Gildead graduation day or the memorial.

  The only way to escape the bethel police was to tip your housekeeper regularly.
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  Hi all

  by SailAway in

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  i have decided to join this forum after quite a long time lurking here (a number of years actually).. i have been out of the truth for a while and recently started to attend some meetings.

  but i now think a bit more freely and wonder whether i am doing the right thing.

  a cousin of mine regularly posts on here, didgeridoo in fact i have seen him today, speaking to him has made me decide to finally post on here, although i have my reservations whether i am doing the right thing.

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  TheListener

  Welcome SailAway.

  I hope you enjoy the board and get lots out of it.

  here are some amazingly helpful and insightful people on the board.

  I wish you the best of luck in your journey.
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  Looking For Love - Will Travel

  by LouBelle in

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  that is it - i want to share my life, my beliefs, my body with someone who'll love me for me.. and that is all i have to say on the matter..

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  Lou,

  You're a brave person. I know if you keep looking you will find someone.

  One of the most important aspects of a relationship is honest open communication. You've got that down pat.

  (((hugs)))

  TL
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  News from Mother ship

  by jefferywhat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1. bethel in ny suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there.

  2. major organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, po to be done away with, thats all i know for now.

  was told that if you are the sort of person that cant handle changes, you wont stay in the org for long.

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  Hubert,

  JeffreyWhat posted this:

  This is an old thread but where I stated that there will be changes made that are so big old timers wont deal with it.
  
  Book study is gone, we know that now.
  
  Next comes theocratic structure PO, Co etc.
  
  Then comes the change in witnessing ( big one!!)
  
  Then come the change in name, bigger again.
  
  And more........
  
  Told you didnt I!! :-)

  I don't know which page of this thread it occurs on. Hope this helps.
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  UBM: Bringing CoC Home

  by TheListener in

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  i don't post as much as i used to.

  i certainly don't start many threads anymore.. but, i thought it would be nice to get some feedback.

  both from those that know my situation well and those that don't.i am a ubm.

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  Thanks Jgnat.

  You know I never once got a W on timing! I was always the guy who had to cut his service meeting part by half in order for the meeting to end on time.

  If I do this I will wait until after the DC. That way my action won't become a cause of anxiety during the convention and thus become a topic of discussion.

  MJ, thanks. You have always been a great help to me. You know that I've laid quite a bit of groundwork regarding the scientologists. The latest stuff with that website (wikileak?) putting up secret documents may be just the thing I can use to bring the subject up.
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  UBM: Bringing CoC Home

  by TheListener in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don't post as much as i used to.

  i certainly don't start many threads anymore.. but, i thought it would be nice to get some feedback.

  both from those that know my situation well and those that don't.i am a ubm.

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  Gary, your comments, as usual, strike home. That is exactly how I feel about it. However, I temper that feeling with the thought that I can somehow save my children from being raised as I was.

  Because of my sacrifice my children have much much more freedom than I ever had and much more freedom than other children at the kingdom hall. I am very hopeful that my children will grow up free from enslavement to the WTBS. If they don't I will have peace of mind knowing I did everything I could to protect them.

  I did make the decision a long time ago that if my wife would accept me as a non-witness I would accept her as a witness. She does and so do I.

  That being said, I would love it if she woke up and we could both laugh about the insane WT rules and regulations and all of the numerology used. Maybe one day.
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  Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

  by Dogpatch in

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  having problem pasting this...

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  TheListener

  Now all we need is a current long time Bethelite to defect and bring copies of the Governing Body meeting minutes with him.
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  UBM: Bringing CoC Home

  by TheListener in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don't post as much as i used to.

  i certainly don't start many threads anymore.. but, i thought it would be nice to get some feedback.

  both from those that know my situation well and those that don't.i am a ubm.

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  Thank you everyone for your comments. Your thoughts are just like mine. They go from bring the book out in the open to let sleeping dogs lie.

  I'm going to take my time making a decision. Once I bring the book out I can't undo it. So, I'll take my time and see which way the winds continue to blow.

  Changeling,

  I am a baptized witness who faded away.... Now I am a married man who no longer belieives, thus I consider myself a UBM (unbelieving mate). Perhaps my definition is incorrect. But, I don't think there is a qualification of never having been a witness to be a UBM. Regardless, your points are on target - damned if I do, damned if I don't.