Posts by Ticker

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For those wanting to maintain Christianity...

by gespro in

i just noticed this link angarhad posted [thank you angarhad!

and found this teaser at the end of the chapter entitled worship jesus [

http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/page426.htm]

Ticker

I recomend "In Search Of Christian Freedom" by Raymond V. Franz to thoese who have left the watchtower and pherhaps are lost in what their beliefs maybe. A good book for everyone but especially thoese wanting to maintain the christian element in their lives. It basically helps to build your independance from a Christian authority structure or organization, and rekindles your personal autonomy in making choices as to what "you" will or will not accept in your belief structure. The key is not to adopt anyones beliefs, nor the ones of the author but rather to strike out on a course of lasting fullfillment in which you can find joy in making sound decisions based on "your" personal judgement and belief rather than on enforced or pressured human doctrine. It helps you to realize that no one can make your choices for you, but rather we all must accept the resposiblity of governing our own lives through careful thought out personal reasoning.

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Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by jeeprube in

i once questioned my father the elder about how we really knew the governing body was the "faithful and discreet slave" spoken of in scripture.

to answer he took me to the scripture (i cannot remember which one, and am too lazy to look it up) that asks the question......."who really is the faithful and discreet slave?

".......yada, yada, yada.. that's it.

Ticker

Ahhh Yes the Parable. What evidence. lol They are masters at stretching scriptures well beyond their meaning, trying to weave a string of non related scriptures together to add weight to their doctrines, only because one of the scriptures carried a word or some phrase they felt they could utilize. Take a bible and any scripture and if you think long enough you can make it say whatever you like, and you can begin to add several together and even make a seemingly air tight explanation. Under closer examination though it is really full of holes and the binding holding it together will become undone. Much the same with the Watchtower, only problem is the R and F can't question or they face sanctions, so they have not much choice but accept a sketchy explanation as evidence. They are forced to accept and believe or lose their social environment and friends. Its blackmail at its worst.

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Nazi apologists and the WTBTS crusade against the Internet.

by Gill in

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friends

don't laugh, now!

i was watching 'quincy' this afternoon, and the episode was about the denial of the holocaust.

what the person denying that the horrific holocaust actually took place was saying was that the evidence was fabricated, written evidence made up, and pictures were also concocted to appear that the atrocities had taken place.. well, it just reminded me, as many things do these days, of the wtbts stance on apostates and the internet.

Ticker

That is definetly got to be one of the most aggravating defences of the watchtower, "Oh we never told you to believe in.. (1975 etc.). The R and F just got ahead of themselves and were jumpy in their presumtions." That always seems to be their defence, just point the finger elsewhere and hope that it don't point back and if it does then just disfellowship them.

Or yes like the point Gill made they just say it never happened, much like Beth Sarim was covered up for along time untill damning evidence forced them to bring it to light. Of course they still downplayed it big time and this is much in the same lines as the UN scandal. Just deny, deny, deny, until absolutely necessary, then blame, blame, blame. It is very frustrating and I always voice that when someone brings up 1975 and tries to blame the R and F, I just tell them plainly, "well maybe your leaders shouldn't have made such presumptions to begin with and who is to blame the originators and enforcers of the idea, or the followers? Sounds much like an abusive relationship to me."

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Why One "Inspired" Bible...but endless "literature" about it?

by upside/down in

"christians" are so proud of their one bible... the most widely distributed...blah blah blah...and thus it must be "god's" word.... yet the wts (in particular) is constantly producing new "literature"...why?.

can't they comment on what they "know" about a certain scripture and leave it at that...i mean how much real "new light" is there?.

they just rehash the same old crap over and over.... cheeezus...print one book...and then just "revise" it as needed... oh wait...i thought they had one book...the bible.... why do the interpretations need interpretation...???.

Ticker

I think its alot like a computer that gets outdated in a year by software developers and computer manufacturers, to be able to create more revenue. Much the same with their study books which they replace every few years, creates alot of new revenue for the Watchtower publishing agency, and every R & F has to obtain at least three of them. Then think of all the new buzz created and the placements made by the sales team.(ie. door to door). They must make a killing in donations everytime a new book is released, nevermind all the mags each month.

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WT Article on Mennonites - Wow... Double Standards

by indoubt in

i usually don't read wt or awakes, but i stumbled on an article that shows the borg's two-facedness.. the article talks about a group of mennonites that had doubts about their religion and wanted to study with the jws.

after the first paragraph, i realized that i had felt exactly like those poor mennonites when i decided to study the jw's history.

let me explain... i have scanned some parts of the articles: .

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Oh Goody. From one high control cult to the next. I think the witnesses might be even worse and these menonites are gonna get a feeling of deja vu alright when they attempt to question any witness doctrine using the bible. Two faced hypocrites but what else do we expect from the Watchtower cult.

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Why One "Inspired" Bible...but endless "literature" about it?

by upside/down in

"christians" are so proud of their one bible... the most widely distributed...blah blah blah...and thus it must be "god's" word.... yet the wts (in particular) is constantly producing new "literature"...why?.

can't they comment on what they "know" about a certain scripture and leave it at that...i mean how much real "new light" is there?.

they just rehash the same old crap over and over.... cheeezus...print one book...and then just "revise" it as needed... oh wait...i thought they had one book...the bible.... why do the interpretations need interpretation...???.

Ticker

So I take it "God" isn't "Green"...and he must hate trees

Like Gary said the Watchtower is a publishing empire and they produce countless amounts of rehashed literature because they have a steady consumer, namely the R and F. You could not even imagine the amount they make by continually pumping out new mags and books, especially when 6 million are guaranteed customers. Corporations especially publishing empires don't really care about trees or the environment, they only care about one thing the bottom line, which is the almighty dollar.

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Very Very sad. Typical Jdub Love

by Ticker in

i wanted to share this recent incident and it really pi$$es me off.

i called my grandfather yesterday who is a believing but inactive jw due to health reasons.

he is 83 and in very poor health and is alone since his wife died 3 years ago.

Ticker

It is hurtful. And welcome to the forum Dave. Nice to have new ones here.

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Dungeons and Dragons game & JW urban legends

by rebel8 in

does anyone remember this game from (i think) the early '80s?

it's a role playing game of some sort that included some violent imagery or something.. i remember jws (and the media, come to think of it) making a big, big deal of it.

something like it was demonized or made kids murder people.

Ticker

Well Happy Birthday Rebel 8. Just in case I dont make it on here on the 3rd due to being pretty busy with life right now. Hope you enjoy your birthday and maybe you will get breakfast in bed from the hubby. Anyways best wishes on your Happy B-Day.

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Dungeons and Dragons game & JW urban legends

by rebel8 in

does anyone remember this game from (i think) the early '80s?

it's a role playing game of some sort that included some violent imagery or something.. i remember jws (and the media, come to think of it) making a big, big deal of it.

something like it was demonized or made kids murder people.

Ticker

I heard a JW urban legend on D&D. I think it was that the parents discovered kids playing D&D and had them throw it out. To their surprise the very next day the game board and pieces were back under the bedroom in their room, to which they say is attributed to demonic powers. I think its bs and if it even remotely ever happened, the kids were the ones who grabbed the game from the garbage because they didn't want it thrown out. When they got busted the second time they probably just blamed the demons. lol Maybe this is a spinoff from another JW urban legend, pherhaps involving an ouiji board, im not certain.

I know a few more JW urban legends ive heard over the years. It would be interesting to see how many are out their. Most are ridiculous and obviously products of vivid indoctrinated imaginations.

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Very Very sad. Typical Jdub Love

by Ticker in

i wanted to share this recent incident and it really pi$$es me off.

i called my grandfather yesterday who is a believing but inactive jw due to health reasons.

he is 83 and in very poor health and is alone since his wife died 3 years ago.

Ticker

Thank you everyone for your kind comments. I wish I could help him more often myself but I live along distance from my grandfather and don't often have the chance to get down their. He was very happy to talk to me though and told me it really made his day. Im glad I cheered him up a bit. I couldn't help but tell him I thought it was awful the way they were abandoning him, but of course he excused their actions saying "they were just getting caught up in the world." I thought to myself "that is no damn excuse for their actions!"

Don't even 'elders' visit? What about PRACTICAL help as he's alone?

No no one visits unless you call dropping a couple mags off and 30 seconds of chit chat a visit. We have been able to get someone to help him out, and this person is not a JW. This person shows more care and interest for him then the JW's have ever shown or demonstrated.

Their was a mention of conditional love and thats so true. Their love is conditioned on your full participation in their sales marketing team, aka. field service. I just think its bloody sick that they would apply these same conditions to someone this age who can not possibly walk well never mind go door to door. I blame the arseholes at the top of the pyramid for this treatment, maybe they should be abandoned in their old age instead of the pampering they probably recieve in the ivory tower.

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