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  The call came around 8 pm last night

  by Cabin in the woods in

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  and i immediately recognized the name and the number!.

  i called out to my soon to be ex, who now lives in different part of the house and told him to pick up the phone as it was his call.

  the sister and brother in law had just landed home from the district convention!!

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  They have been stating this same message for years about being in the final hour but I guess it sounds like they seem to have been worked extra hard into a frenzy this time. It's another bolster technique to drum up recruits to pioneer and put the Watchtower first. It's their way of prodding the membership into action to do more to advance the religions corporate agenda. Maybe they figure it will be more efficient since all their articles seemed to have no effect. Oh well nothing like the ol' armagedon trick to spread fear, control, and guilt.

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  Latest KM encourages JWs to ask for referrals

  by ocsrf in

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  i thought i was reading one my sales manuals from work.

  so much of what the watchtower does is right out of any companies sales training manuals.. oc

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  Typical corporation tactics! Not surprising to me just feel bad for the poor publishers caught up in this escapade. Sad to see the so blatantly used as instruments to promote an organization of hypocrysy.

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  How do some of you, find so much time to be on this board?

  by free2beme in

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  i have noticed that some posters are here a lot, and i was just wondering how you find so much time to do that?

  between work, coming home and playing with my child, working outdoors in the yard, and enjoying the weekend in the outdoors doing fishing, hiking or just getting outside.

  i have little time for places like this and yet some are here "a lot!

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  I don't post very often anymore, nor do I bother to check in regularly, not that I don't think anyone should or shouldn't post here. Thoese that do post here do a great service to thoese who have recently exited the Jehovahs Witnesses. Myself I've grown beyond my JW time and have dealt with it and put it to rest. I've been to busy with focusing on my career and planning for the future to be pre-occupied with a former religious movement. To me continuously watching the JW movement and it's developments is about as interesting as watching paint dry. They really are quite stagnant in their development as they oppose change unless it corners them, but every once in awhile I like to check in and see what new doctrines they have published or are in the process of developing. They just move to slowly to keep my interest, but still my hat goes off to thoese who continously make the effort to help newbies by re-posting key subjects and thoughts that bring to light the deception of the JW religion. It's a form of therapy and all recover in different time spans, some who post regularly are no doubt still in recovery from their Jehovahs Witness experience.

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  SHUNNED FATHER DEATHSUIT AGAINST THE WATCHTOWER - UPDATE

  by SHUNNED FATHER in

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  the name of the trust fund is save the children.

  the cheques should be made out to: save the children and mailed to:.

  save the children.

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  How do you feel now that you've left the Watchtower?

  by Honesty in

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  do you have any regrets that you have turned your back on joe hoba by your departure?.

  i bet you are shaking in your socks when you reflect on the following spiritual food dispensed by those loving brothers in new york:.

  it is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of god, because it is his provision.

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  I feel Great!!!!

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  Gospel of Judas released

  by Ticker in

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  wasn't sure if this was already posted but it caught my eye as todays news headlines.

  here is the news release on it.

  friday, apr 07, 2006

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  Sorry it cut off the first sentance for some reason. Here it is again without the pictures.

  Friday, Apr 07, 2006

  Ancient text paints Judas as hero
  

  (CBC) - Judas, the disciple blamed for betraying Jesus Christ to the Romans, was a hero, a newly released ancient text says. National Geographic revealed Thursday what it calls the Gospel of Judas, a 1,700-year-old text which reverses the accepted view of the religious villain. "Jesus Christ asks Judas to betray him to the authorities," National Geographic said in a story about the 26-page text posted on its website. In the Bible's New Testament Gospels, Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver, and then stricken by remorse, returned the bribe and committed suicide. But the codex, or ancient book, says Jesus asked Judas to betray him. In the text, Jesus tells Judas: "'You will exceed all of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothes me.'" In that passage, "Jesus says it is necessary for someone to free him finally from his human body, and he prefers that this liberation be done by a friend rather than by an enemy," said Rodolphe Kasser, a clergyman, a former professor at the University of Geneva in Switzerland and head of the translation team. "So he asks Judas, who is his friend, to sell him out, to betray him. It's treason to the general public, but between Jesus and Judas, it's not treachery." The text is expected to be controversial because it contradicts nearly 2,000 years of Christian thought. National Geographic said in the early days of Christianity there were competing doctrines, and the codex probably reflects the thinking of the Gnostics, a group that hid its writings when they were denounced by the established church. The manuscript was mentioned around AD 180 by Bishop Irenaeus of Lyon, who called it fictitious. "Let a vigorous debate on the significance of this fascinating ancient text begin," Rev. Donald Senior, president of the Catholic Theological Union of Chicago, told the Associated Press. The text, written in Coptic script, is believed to be a translation of an original Greek text written by Christians before AD 180. It was found in Egypt in the 1970s, and an antique dealer tried to sell it several times, including to Yale University. But Yale declined, doubting its provenance. The codex was finally transferred to the Maecenas Foundation for Ancient Art, based in Basel, Switzerland, which worked with the National Geographic Society and the Waitt Institute for Historical Discovery in California to restore, translate and publish the book. The University of Arizona carbon-dated five tiny samples of papyrus and leather binding to between AD 220 and AD 340, and other tests backed up that conclusion. Pages were put on display at the National Geographic Society's headquarters in Washington, which has also published Coptic and English versions of the text. The codex will later be sent to Egypt.

  © the CBC, 2006 Ticker
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  Gospel of Judas released

  by Ticker in

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  wasn't sure if this was already posted but it caught my eye as todays news headlines.

  here is the news release on it.

  friday, apr 07, 2006

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  Wasn't sure if this was already posted but it caught my eye as todays news headlines. Here is the news release on it.

  Friday, Apr 07, 2006

  Ancient text paints Judas as hero
  

  full image The 1,700-year-old script is written in Coptic, an ancient Egyptian language. (Associated Press) (CBC) - Judas, the disciple blamed for betraying Jesus Christ to the Romans, was a hero, a newly released ancient text says. National Geographic revealed Thursday what it calls the Gospel of Judas, a 1,700-year-old text which reverses the accepted view of the religious villain. "Jesus Christ asks Judas to betray him to the authorities," National Geographic said in a story about the 26-page text posted on its website. National Geographic Lost Gospel Web site Desktops: Free Upgrade this week In the Bible's New Testament Gospels, Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver, and then stricken by remorse, returned the bribe and committed suicide. But the codex, or ancient book, says Jesus asked Judas to betray him. In the text, Jesus tells Judas: "'You will exceed all of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothes me.'" FREE Memory Upgrade - Dell.ca In that passage, "Jesus says it is necessary for someone to free him finally from his human body, and he prefers that this liberation be done by a friend rather than by an enemy," said Rodolphe Kasser, a clergyman, a former professor at the University of Geneva in Switzerland and head of the translation team. "So he asks Judas, who is his friend, to sell him out, to betray him. It's treason to the general public, but between Jesus and Judas, it's not treachery." The text is expected to be controversial because it contradicts nearly 2,000 years of Christian thought. National Geographic said in the early days of Christianity there were competing doctrines, and the codex probably reflects the thinking of the Gnostics, a group that hid its writings when they were denounced by the established church. The manuscript was mentioned around AD 180 by Bishop Irenaeus of Lyon, who called it fictitious. "Let a vigorous debate on the significance of this fascinating ancient text begin," Rev. Donald Senior, president of the Catholic Theological Union of Chicago, told the Associated Press. The text, written in Coptic script, is believed to be a translation of an original Greek text written by Christians before AD 180. It was found in Egypt in the 1970s, and an antique dealer tried to sell it several times, including to Yale University. But Yale declined, doubting its provenance. The codex was finally transferred to the Maecenas Foundation for Ancient Art, based in Basel, Switzerland, which worked with the National Geographic Society and the Waitt Institute for Historical Discovery in California to restore, translate and publish the book. The University of Arizona carbon-dated five tiny samples of papyrus and leather binding to between AD 220 and AD 340, and other tests backed up that conclusion. Pages were put on display at the National Geographic Society's headquarters in Washington, which has also published Coptic and English versions of the text. The codex will later be sent to Egypt.

  © the CBC, 2006

  Rather Interesting.

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  I just received an email regarding the CoC book...

  by kittyeatzjdubs in

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  ...apparently i ordered a copy over the internet in a drunken online shopping rage.. .

  btw...i am glad i ordered the book...been meaning to read it for awhile.. .

  luv, jojo

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  Crisis of Conscience is an excellent book and read. So is his follow up sequal "In Search of Christian Freedom". Every ex witness' library should adourn these two books. No other book can give you the insider view of the JW governing body as these two can.

  Also in response to the comment about Penton's book being much better, thats a matter of opinion and how you look at it. From the stand point of an fair insider's view no book compares with C of C.

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  With Albert Schroeder gone, there is a disturbance in the force...

  by truthseeker in

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  with prince albert in heaven at jesus' right hand, there is now a gap in the force among the governing body.. the new administration is now one man short.

  who will be his replacement?

  maybe that's why they appointed geoffrey jackson and the other dude to gb members - they knew schroeder was going soon, maybe barr will be next.. .

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  They won't change, plain and simple. Even lawsuits will not change the overall momentum of this corporation. If they had a mission statement it would be to expand capital and investment holdings, minimize expenditures, and preserve it's mandates at whatever costs. Even if they did change it would lead back to my earlier point about memberships dis-illusion with their religion. Any radical changes would lead to implosion and you better believe the ones steering the ship up-top know this for a fact.

  I imagine in ten years the organization will be a shadow of it's former glory

  Absolutely, I totally agree with you Jgnat. Their expansions are now based in the third world and Latin American Markets. The old glory years of increased numbers within their home country is gone and they will never experience the highs they once had during the 50's. They have had little to none or negative growth within the developed nations for the past several years. They have been forced to slash more costs. Also expanding into under developed nations is not generating the revenue that the industrial nations could bring them.

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  With Albert Schroeder gone, there is a disturbance in the force...

  by truthseeker in

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  with prince albert in heaven at jesus' right hand, there is now a gap in the force among the governing body.. the new administration is now one man short.

  who will be his replacement?

  maybe that's why they appointed geoffrey jackson and the other dude to gb members - they knew schroeder was going soon, maybe barr will be next.. .

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  Personally, I used to hope there would be reform among the younger GB members, but they their own opinions are ineffectual among the larger body.

  So did I when I first left the Witnesses. Then after a year or two you will realize they will never change because it is not in the managements (GB's) interests to change it. The organization is a Corporation plain and simple that is driven by a spirit of ignorance and self applied self proclaimed prophecy. No matter how many come and go on the hiearchy ladder the corporation remains the same. If any changes have happened it is the fact that it has become more of a real estate, financial investment entity. It hungers for wealth and power not ulike any public corporation except this one garnishes free labour, cheap production lines, and the ability to be above the law with regards to its members. They will crumble under memberships dis-illusion before they ever restructure their environment and elemental teachings.

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