GG,
Thanks for the hugs, we love you too.
I have it on good authority, (which usually means bethel) oops, sorry, flash back. Anyway I have heard that you are banned from bucket kicking for a very long time.
Borgfree
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ANOTHER, WELCOME NEW ONES!
by borgfree ini know this has been done before, but, i would like to do it again.. it has been over a year since i joined this forum and in that year, i have only posted a few times, welcoming new ones to the board.. so, for the two or three thousand who have joined the board in the past year, .
i am glad you are here, i enjoy reading your story and your posts.
(even if i do not post to say so).
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ANOTHER, WELCOME NEW ONES!
by borgfree ini know this has been done before, but, i would like to do it again.. it has been over a year since i joined this forum and in that year, i have only posted a few times, welcoming new ones to the board.. so, for the two or three thousand who have joined the board in the past year, .
i am glad you are here, i enjoy reading your story and your posts.
(even if i do not post to say so).
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Hi GG,
I thought you gave up those kinds of resurrection ideas a long time ago
We had a great Christmas. Sunstarr gave me a TIVO, now if I can just get it all hooked up.
We had Honey Baked ham and Honey Baked turkey, and a lot of other stuff, I really enjoyed it.
I had not heard about Pam's ex, was he still a JW? I am sorry that he chose that way out in any case.
I am happy to hear the JWs are coming back next year. Sunstarr and I are supposed to give a
talkspeechparttestamonywhatever, next year.Bfree
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ANOTHER, WELCOME NEW ONES!
by borgfree ini know this has been done before, but, i would like to do it again.. it has been over a year since i joined this forum and in that year, i have only posted a few times, welcoming new ones to the board.. so, for the two or three thousand who have joined the board in the past year, .
i am glad you are here, i enjoy reading your story and your posts.
(even if i do not post to say so).
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I know this has been done before, but, I would like to do it again.
It has been over a year since I joined this forum and in that year, I have only posted a few times, welcoming new ones to the board.
So, for the two or three thousand who have joined the board in the past year,
WELCOME!
I am glad you are here, I enjoy reading your story and your posts. (even if I do not post to say so)
Borgfree
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Indianapolis, IN or South Carolina?????
by waiting inhowdy, this is to try out our new "desperately seeking" forum -----some of us who have moved over the years......or are just not free to say outloud "i don't wanna be a jw!!!".
soooooooooo, i grew up in indianapolis, in - stayed until i was 30, primarily irvington congregation on 21st street (eastside) - anybody around there?
then kokomo cong.
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Hi Line6guy,
Yes I know Larry Liggett, we used to ride dirt bikes together.
Waiting,
I do not remember the names of the two brothers who owned Trim-Line in the Anderson area. Seems like one of them was named Steve.
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Silent Lambs/Bill Bowen..Who rejoices now?
by wasasister inhaving read the exchanges between rev, bill bowen, and others involved in the silent lambs website, i honestly feel sickened.
i remember when i first started to hear rumblings that "something big" was going down regarding the society's handling of child abuse.
i was overjoyed because i had first-hand knowledge of several atrocities in this regard and was hoping against all odds that a major upset would force them to change their policies.
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I just have a question. I have wondered for a long time if it wouldn't be the best for everyone, if there was one attorney or legal firm, that all of our support could go to, not only for the abuse victims, but for all of our efforts at getting justice from the WT.
In the end isn't that where everything of substance will end up anyway? in the courts?
Maybe CONCERNED LAWYER?
Borgfree
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Lott resigns...
by kelsey007 inmy question is "why are'nt the democrats jumping on bush's hipocracy as well?
they certainly need all the fuel they can get before 2004. it was bush that stood before an open mike and by name called someone a "major league asshole.
" the demos need to be applying pressure at every leval if they hope to gain in 04. are they scared to speak out?
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Pistoff,
The President is very limited in what he can do without the cooperation of the Senate and the House of Representatives.
I think you will see by the following list that the Democrats have held the power for most of the 20 th century.
SENATE
53 sessions with Democrat majorities - 8 sessions with Republican majorities
from 1939 through present
76th Congress (1939-1941)
Majority Party: Democrat (69 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (23 seats)
Other Parties: 2 Farmer-Labor; 1 Progressive; 1 Independent
Total Seats: 96
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77th Congress (1941-1943)
Majority Party: Democrat (66 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (28 seats)
Other Parties: 1 Independent; 1 Progressive
Total Seats: 96
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78th Congress (1943-1945)
Majority Party: Democrat (57 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (38 seats)
Other Parties: 1 Progressive
Total Seats: 96
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79th Congress (1945-1947)
Majority Party: Democrat (57 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (38 seats)
Other Parties: 1 Progressive
Total Seats: 96
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80th Congress (1947-1949)
Majority Party: Republican (51 seats)
Minority Party: Democrat (45 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 96
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81st Congress (1949-1951)
Majority Party: Democrat (54 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (42 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 96
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82nd Congress (1951-1953)
Majority Party: Democrat (49 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (47 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 96
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83rd Congress (1953-1955)
Majority Party: Republican (48 seats)
Minority Party: Democrat (47 seats)
Other Parties: 1 Independent
Total Seats: 96
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84th Congress (1955-1957)
Majority Party: Democrat (48 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (47 seats)
Other Parties: 1 Independent
Total Seats: 96
Note: Strom Thurmond (SC) was an Independent Democrat during this Congress
until his resignation on April 4, 1956. In November of that year he was elected as
a Democrat to fill the vacancy created by his resignation. The Independent member
listed above was Wayne Morse (OR), who changed from an Independent to a
Democrat on February 17, 1955.
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85th Congress (1957-1959)
Majority Party: Democrat (49 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (47 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 96
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86th Congress (1959-1961)
Majority Party: Democrat (65 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (35 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 100
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87th Congress (1961-1963)
Majority Party: Democrat (64 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (36 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 100
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88th Congress (1963-1965)
Majority Party: Democrat (66 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (34 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 100
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89th Congress (1965-1967)
Majority Party: Democrat (68 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (32 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 100
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90th Congress (1967-1969)
Majority Party: Democrat (64 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (36 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 100
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91st Congress (1969-1971)
Majority Party: Democrat (57 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (43 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 100
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92nd Congress (1971-1973)
Majority Party: Democrat (54 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (44 seats)
Other Parties: 1 Conservative; 1 Independent
Total Seats: 100
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93rd Congress (1973-1975)
Majority Party: Democrat (56 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (42 seats)
Other Parties: 1 Conservative; 1 Independent
Total Seats: 100
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94th Congress (1975-1977)
Majority Party: Democrat (60 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (38 seats)
Other Parties: 1 Conservative; 1 Independent
Total Seats: 100
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95th Congress (1977-1979)
Majority Party: Democrat (61 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (38 seats)
Other Parties: 1 Independent
Total Seats: 100
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96th Congress (1979-1981)
Majority Party: Democrat (58 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (41 seats)
Other Parties: 1 Independent
Total Seats: 100
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97th Congress (1981-1983)
Majority Party: Republican (53 seats)
Minority Party: Democrat (46 seats)
Other Parties: 1 Independent
Total Seats: 100
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98th Congress (1983-1985)
Majority Party: Republican (54 seats)
Minority Party: Democrat (46 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 100
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99th Congress (1985-1987)
Majority Party: Republican (53 seats)
Minority Party: Democrat (47 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 100
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100th Congress (1987-1989)
Majority Party: Democrat (55 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (45 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 100
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101st Congress (1989-1991)
Majority Party: Democrat (55 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (45 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 100
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102nd Congress (1991-1993)
Majority Party: Democrat (56 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (44 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 100
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103rd Congress (1993-1995)
Majority Party: Democrat (57 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (43 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 100
Note: Party division changed to 56 Democrats and 44 Republicans after the
June 5, 1993 election of Kay B. Hutchison (R-TX).
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104th Congress (1995-1997)
Majority Party: Republican (52 seats)
Minority Party: Democrat (48 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 100
Note: Party ratio changed to 53 Republicans and 47 Democrats after Richard Shelby
of Alabama switched from the Democratic to Republican party on November 9, 1994.
It changed again, to 54 Republicans and 46 Democrats, when Ben Nighthorse Campbell
of Colorado switched from the Democratic to Republican party on March 3, 1995.
When Robert Packwood (R-OR) resigned on October 1, 1995, the Senate divided between
53 Republicans and 46 Democrats with one vacancy. Ron Wyden (D) returned the ratio to
53 Republicans and 47 Democrats when he was elected to fill the vacant Oregon seat.
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105th Congress (1997-1999)
Majority Party: Republican (55 seats)
Minority Party: Democrat (45 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 100
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106th Congress (1999-2001)
Majority Party: Republican (55 seats)
Minority Party: Democrat (45 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 100
Note: As the 106th Congress began, the division was 55 Republican seats
and 45 Democratic seats, but this changed to 54-45 on July 13, 1999 when
Senator Bob Smith of New Hampshire switched from the Republican party to
Independent status. On November 1, 1999, Smith announced his return to the
Republican party, making the division once more 55 Republicans and 45 Democrats.
Following the death of Senator Paul Coverdell (R-GA) on July 18, 2000, the balance
shifted again, to 54 Republicans and 46 Democrats, when the governor appointed
Zell Miller, a Democrat, to fill the vacancy.
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107th Congress (2001-2003)
Majority Party (Jan 3-20, 2001): Democrat (50 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (50 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 100
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Majority Party (Jan 20-June 6, 2001): Republican (50 seats)
Minority Party: Democrat (50 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 100
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Majority Party (June 6, 2001 --): Democrat (50 seats)
Minority Party: Republican (49 seats)
Other Parties: 1
Total Seats: 100
HOUSE
25 sessions with Democrat majorities - 4 sessions with Republican majorities
77th Congress (1941-1943)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 2 Delegates, 2 Resident Commisioners
Party Divisions: 162 Republicans, 267 Democrats, 6 Independents78th Congress (1943-1945)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 2 Delegates, 2 Resident Commisioners
Party Divisions: 209 Republicans, 222 Democrats, 4 Independents79th Congress (1945-1947)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 2 Delegates, 2 Resident Commisioners
Party Divisions: 190 Republicans, 243 Democrats, 2 Independents80th Congress (1947-1949)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 2 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 246 Republicans, 188 Democrats, 1 Independent81st Congress (1949-1951)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 2 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 171 Republicans, 263 Democrats, 1 Independent82nd Congress (1951-1953)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 2 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 199 Republicans, 234 Democrats, 2 Independents83rd Congress (1953-1955)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 2 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 221 Republicans, 213 Democrats, 1 Independent84th Congress (1955-1957)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 2 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 203 Republicans, 232 Democrats85th Congress (1957-1959)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 2 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 201 Republicans, 234 Democrats86th Congress (1959-1961)
Total Membership: 437 Members, 0 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 153 Republicans, 283 Democrats87th Congress (1961-1963)
Total Membership: 437 Members, 0 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 175 Republicans, 262 Democrats88th Congress (1963-1965)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 0 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 176 Republicans, 258 Democrats89th Congress (1965-1967)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 0 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 140 Republicans, 295 Democrats90th Congress (1967-1969)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 4 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 187 Republicans, 248 Democrats91st Congress (1969-1971)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 4 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 192 Republicans, 243 Democrats92nd Congress (1971-1973)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 4 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 180 Republicans, 255 Democrats93rd Congress (1973-1975)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 4 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 192 Republicans, 242 Democrats, 1 Independent94th Congress (1975-1977)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 4 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 144 Republicans, 291 Democrats95th Congress (1977-1979)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 4 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 143 Republicans, 292 Democrats96th Congress (1979-1981)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 4 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 158 Republicans, 277 Democrats97th Congress (1981-1983)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 4 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 192 Republicans, 242 Democrats, 1 Independent98th Congress (1983-1985)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 4 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 166 Republicans, 269 Democrats99th Congress (1985-1987)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 4 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 182 Republicans, 253 Democrats100th Congress (1987-1989)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 4 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 177 Republicans, 258 Democrats101st Congress (1989-1991)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 4 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 175 Republicans, 260 Democrats102nd Congress (1991-1993)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 4 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 167 Republicans, 267 Democrats, 1 Independent103rd Congress (1993-1995)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 4 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 176 Republicans, 258 Democrats, 1 Independent104th Congress (1995-1997)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 4 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 230 Republicans, 204 Democrats, 1 Independent105th Congress (1997-1999)
Total Membership: 435 Members, 4 Delegates, 1 Resident Commisioner
Party Divisions: 226 Republicans, 207 Democrats, 2 IndependentsPRESIDENTS
1901-2001 - 11 Republicans - 7 Democrats Theodore Roosevelt (1901-09)
William H. Taft (1909-13)
Woodrow Wilson (1913-21) (D)
Warren Harding (1921-23)
Calvin Coolidge (1923-29)
Herbert Hoover (1929-33)
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-45) (D)
Harry S Truman (1945-53) (D)
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-61)
John F. Kennedy (1961-63) (D)
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-69) (D)
Richard M. Nixon (1969-74)
Gerald R. Ford (1974-77)
Jimmy Carter (1977-81) (D)
Ronald W. Reagan (1981-89)
George Bush (1989-93)
William J. Clinton (1993-2001) (D)
George W. Bush (2001-present)You say:
This does not make any sense at all; look at the voting records, and who it is that has helped minorities. It is much more the dems, while the repubs have hidden behind racist "states rights" initiatives. Just because the problem has not gone away does not mean that democratic policies have not helped; they have helped.
History just does not agree with that statement. If you want to think that because the Democrats "feel the pain" of the minorities, that somehow helps them, I guess that is up to you. However the minorities have voted almost exclusively for the democrats for many years. Looking at the above information, where the Democrats clearly held power for a majority of the 20th century, most people would expect that all of the problems of the minorities would have been solved many years ago. The Democrats have done nothing to really cure the problems of minorities. They have created many feel good programs which sound good, but in reality, only made the minorities dependent on them for handouts.
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by kelsey007 inmy question is "why are'nt the democrats jumping on bush's hipocracy as well?
they certainly need all the fuel they can get before 2004. it was bush that stood before an open mike and by name called someone a "major league asshole.
" the demos need to be applying pressure at every leval if they hope to gain in 04. are they scared to speak out?
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Mike047, you say:
Majority "rule" in this country is fiction.
so is freedom of speech.
Kelsey007, you say:
Hypocrite or not the democrats have always been more supportive of poor and minorities in this country.
The Democrats have had most of the power in this country for several generations now. If they care so much for the poor and minorities why are the poor and minorities still complaining that there is so much needing to be done for those groups? It looks like the Democrats have failed miserably in helping those groups.
And, why do those groups still vote almost entirely for the ones who only keep telling them how much they care, but, never seem to really help them? Looks like the poor and minorities are still being played for suckers.
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Silent Lambs/Bill Bowen..Who rejoices now?
by wasasister inhaving read the exchanges between rev, bill bowen, and others involved in the silent lambs website, i honestly feel sickened.
i remember when i first started to hear rumblings that "something big" was going down regarding the society's handling of child abuse.
i was overjoyed because i had first-hand knowledge of several atrocities in this regard and was hoping against all odds that a major upset would force them to change their policies.
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"See what happens when people oppose Jehovah's Organization? They cannot have unity! If this cause was from Jehovah, it would not fail. See?? They fight amongst themselves! They seek prominence with men, not aid for victims."
That may be one of the problems. I do not think Bill has ever claimed to be doing what he does because of spiritual beliefs or even say that he is religious. I may be wrong, but, I have never heard him express any kind of Christian faith.
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Thank you for your replies!
by scaredyetresolved ini told my husband last week that i didn't plan on going to chats or forums.
we've been trying very hard to stay on neutral ground.
we began by just researching all the history of jws and turning to the publications published by the society, to either back the history we were reading, or to dispel it.
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Hi scaredyetresolved,
Welcome. This morning, before leaving for work, I read your other thread. I didn't post on that thread, because I didn't know what to say, and I know you will get many replies that will give you good advice. I do want to say a couple of things though, just so you will know you are not alone in what you are going through.
To start, I was born into a JW family, my father was a "company servant" what is now called presiding overseer. I believed the teachings of the organization for 54 years. Like you, almost all of my family are JWs. One sister has been a pioneer for about 40-50 years. My youngest daughter has been a pioneer for about 20 years. My family has in it, bethelites, elders, ms's, etc. I lost them all.
I thought, if I stay in the org. and pretend I believe it, that will encourage my family to continue to believe it. If I leave, I will lose them, but, maybe by my stand, they will think more seriously about the reasons, and someday think hard about their faith in the Watchtower Society.
About a year and a half ago, my son, my youngest child, left the organization, I cannot put into words, just how wonderful that felt. I am encouraged by others in my family at times, when they seem to be thinking for themselves. (just once in a while) but I will continue to pray for their escape from the WT.
When I left the organization, I thought I would just give up "religion" as I could never be a part of "Babylon The Great"
I knew I still believed in God, but, not that He was directing the Watchtower. Very fortunately, for me, I met some really wonderful ex-jw Christians, one of them in particular is on this forum, (mouthy) with the help of those great people I learned a lot and can say I have never in my life been happier. And, especially I now am very happy in my relationship with my Lord and Savior.
I am not trying to preach to you here, but if you do still believe in God, and decide to continue in that direction, you are going to find more help than you ever imagined, and, I know much happiness awaits you.
I will end with that (finally) All the best to you and your family.
Borgfree
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Another JW Bro-in-law dies
by borgfree ini am posting this because i think some of you know this man.
i got a phone call at about 11:00 last night (monday) informing me that he had died sunday and had been cremated.
his name is dominick marino, he had also been an elder for about 50 years.
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Voltaire,
Yes, I liked Tony very much. He knew me from the time I was born, or, I knew him from as early as I can remember. He and Mary, and my parents, were about the only JWs in Richmond in the beginning of that congregation.
Dominick was liked by almost everyone.
NewLight2,
Thank you. It has been a long time since I had contact with him and our relationship was not very good. I think, to him, I was simply one of those evil apostates. I agree, "family is still family" I will do my best to be family to his survivors.
Borgfree