Posts by borgfree

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DATELINE: BLACK ART OF PROPAGANDA

by You Know in

hardly anyone has an honest opinion about anything of importance that wasnt craftily pre-packaged and handed to them by someone else whose job it is to craft public opinion.

the intention of the media is to present the illusion of impartially informing, all the while pandering to prejudice and ignorance in order to persuade to a particular point of view.

datelines presentation of the watchtowers child abuse issue was a case study in the black art of media propaganda.. from the very beginning of the presentation dateline was intent on giving the public a negative impression of jehovahs witnesses by portraying us all as oddball crackpots whose religion revolves around the doctrine that we dont celebrate birthdays and that all non-believers are possessed by the devil and that we want them all to die.

borgfree

You Know, you said:

He is the one who hid the fact that he was secretly recording a conversation that the trusting brother would naturally assume was between two elders.

I was told a long time ago that anytime you call bethel, or one of the WT departments, your conversation will be recorded. I believe it is true, since I have called The WT at times and always heard a "beep" on a regular basis. That beep is required by law when you are recording someone on the telephone (at least in some states)

I was never told "we are recording you" I just happened to have heard that was what the beep meant.

I wonder if the bethelite on the other end of the telephone was the only one who ever heard my conversation? What do you think?

Borgfree

"Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." -Anna Freud

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THANKS SIMON

by You Know in

i just wanted to take a moment and thank you for providing this forum.

of course, i realize that it's intended purpose is to serve as a stumbling block for jehovah's witnesses, yet at the same time it also serves as a platform for me to defend my faith in a public forum.

over the years i have appreciated the opportunity provided by this and other forums to confront and refute various challenges that apostates have presented to our precious faith.

borgfree

You Know,

I know this thread is directed to Simon, but if you do not mind I would like to make a small comment.

Even though it is very rare that I agree with you, I am glad you are a part of this forum. I think Simon has set it up as a discussion of ALL thinks concerning JWs. I am glad to read your views even though as I said I almost always disagree with you.

MHO.

Borgfree

"Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." -Anna Freud

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personality test

by BATHORY in

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g'day cyber junkets.. now this personality test is good, very good.. i would be very interested to see the results from most posters.. i came up a type 5, the investigator.

so accurate.. i can see simon as type 9, englishman as the definative 7, alan .

fur-burger is a natural 8 ( with a definite twist of 6 ), princess is a 4 through and through and naeblis, well....he thinks he is a 3 but he is really a hardcore 5.. well was i close ???.

borgfree

I was looking to see who else was a number 4. Since there are no other fours, at least yet,I guess it must be true, I am an individualist.

Borgfree

"Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." -Anna Freud

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They Persecuted Me

by non_trias_theos in

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jesus christ said these telling words.

and he supplemented them by also saying that his followers would be persecuted as he was persecuted.

jesus's disciples were persecuted in the first century by a bitter wave of roman persecution.

borgfree

non_trias_theos, You say:

So today. People may persecute jws and make up stories about them or exaggerate shameful acts that do occur in jw camp. But we expect this kinda treatment. We will rise in spite of it.

If persecution is a sign of being in the "real truth" then I suggest ex-jws are in the real truth.

I don't think there are any more persecuted people in the US than ex-jws. And, that persecution is practiced BY Jehovah's Witnesses. Your statement (above) about making up stories about them, and exaggerating, fits exactly what the Jehovah's Witnesses do to ex-jws. AND that persecution is SPONSORED by the Watchtower Society and also practiced by the WT Society. Something was once said about "the pot calling the kettle black"

Borgfree

"Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." -Anna Freud

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Anyone going to the XJW @ Pinecrest, CA in June?

by lv4fer in

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i know this is a typical "woman" question.

what should i bring to wear.

considering it is at a camp, i'm thinking very casual.

borgfree

I will be there. Staying at Strawberry Inn.

Borgfree

"Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." -Anna Freud

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X-JWs Who are now bible Christians

by clash_city_rockers in

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hi folks,.

i'm just sort of taking role call to all those x-dubs who are now brothers and sisters in christ.

i think it is wise for us to rise up and be counted so that we know who each other are.

borgfree

Hi,

I left the organization at age 54, (from birth, JW) about 6 months later I became a born again Christian.

Borgfree

129

The Trinity Is A False Doctrine!

by non_trias_theos in

christendom teaches that there are three persons in one substance.

yet there is not three gods but one god.

what could be more unscriptural and illogical?

borgfree

DakotaRed, You quoted:

" Paradoxically, traditional theology has attributed to Jesus the claim to be God, a blasphemy which he discounted by asserting his claim to be the Son of God.
To be the Son of God was to demonstrate perfect obedience to the Father

There were times when Jesus was worshipped. Jesus did not tell the worshippers “don’t do that, worship God alone” Would His not doing so, be, at the least, disrespectful to God? Unless, He was fully entitled to such worship?

"The meaning of words must be sought within the environment in which they were written. The Bible was not composed in the 20th century, nor did it's writers know anything of the subsequent creeds and councils.

A Christian believes, the author of the bible is God, Himself. A Christian would not be as concerned with how an analyst views the wording of the bible, since God would make sure the instructions He wanted conveyed would be conveyed.

Jesus never referred to himself as God.

That statement is debatable, some think that by using the term “Son of God” He was showing He was divine. I think the Jews viewed His words just that way. That is why they wanted to stone Him, for “making Himself like God”

The words ho theos (i.e. the one God), used absolutely, are nowhere with certainty applied to Jesus."

I was at a lecture once, where the speaker demonstrated, from the scriptures, that there were indeed scriptures where ho theos was used for Jesus. I do not have the time to search for that information, but at the time, I did follow along with his argument, and was convinced that ho theos did apply to Jesus, as well as the Father.

I think there are some on the forum who could probably cite those scriptures.

Borgfree

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Dissociated family excluded from funeral services

by Pardus in

apparently, disassociated relatives are not allowed to be in the procession lines at kingdom hall services.

they can attend but they cannot be with their relatives to receive condolenses.

this happened recently to someone whose aunt had passed away.

borgfree

Hi Pardus, you asked:

Has anyone had similar experiences?

Yes, I have. My oldest sister died last fall, she had eloped with a soldier during the second world war and stopped associating with the witnesses, by her husbands demand. She was never df'ed or da'ed, they just left her alone.

At the viewing and funeral my relatives came, almost all JWs, they ignored me, as I was one side of the room, and they of course, used the other side of the room. My sisters children tried to be fair to both me and the JW family. They would first visit with one side for a while and then the other. I was just one person so of course it was a little, understandably, unbalanced.

The same general behavior happened at the hospital before she died.

In the past several years I have had two (maybe more) uncles die, one was my mothers brother (claimed to be annointed) and one was my fathers brother (never a JW) In both cases, since almost all of my family are JWs, my JW family were contacted. In both cases, I was not told. I learned about the the non-JW uncle from the newspaper, after the funeral was over.

You think these things are bad? I could tell of much worse. So in answer to your question, yes, these things do definately happen.

Borgfree

129

The Trinity Is A False Doctrine!

by non_trias_theos in

christendom teaches that there are three persons in one substance.

yet there is not three gods but one god.

what could be more unscriptural and illogical?

borgfree

DakotaRed, When you say:

Sorry, Penn, but those are Jesus' own words, not mine. Read John 17:3 in any version you wish and find where Jesus does not call God "the Only True God."

I think you are leaving out the fact that Jesus, took on human form, a little lower than the angels. At times He spoke from the human point of view, such as when He said, "the Father is greater than I" of course in the human form "a little lower than the angels" the Father would be greater than He. That would be true also when He called God, the Only True God. When He would again take the form of God, those words would no longer have the same meaning.

edited to change the wording of the last sentence.

Borgfree

"Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." -Anna Freud

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The Trinity Is A False Doctrine!

by non_trias_theos in

christendom teaches that there are three persons in one substance.

yet there is not three gods but one god.

what could be more unscriptural and illogical?

borgfree

Hi non_trias_theos,

Think you will stay around long enough to find out just how wrong you are?

Borgfree

"Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." -Anna Freud