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  Many Christians Preachers at war with Natural Science

  by D wiltshire in

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  i consider myself a christian and i think christian preachers who spout off against evolution and claim they are doing it to stay loyal to gods word.

  are doing a disservice to the, christian witness to a scientifically knowledgeable generation.

  christians should be knowledgeable about this subject before they openly call persons who have scholarship in these subjects, as incorrect.

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  borgfree

  D Wiltshire,

  Thanks, I have ordered the book and I will read it.

  Borgfree
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  Many Christians Preachers at war with Natural Science

  by D wiltshire in

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  i consider myself a christian and i think christian preachers who spout off against evolution and claim they are doing it to stay loyal to gods word.

  are doing a disservice to the, christian witness to a scientifically knowledgeable generation.

  christians should be knowledgeable about this subject before they openly call persons who have scholarship in these subjects, as incorrect.

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  Hi D Wiltshire,

  I agree with your statements:

  God made man curious,

  The Christian faith in not dependent of ignorance.

  Christians should be leading the way to find out about God’s handiwork the universe instead of spouting off ridicule at Scholars that know far more about which they worked very hard to learn about.

  Like some have mentioned, I do not have time to read material on every subject. I read by priority, starting with the most important to me, and continuing on to other reading material, as I have time.

  I try to be open to solid arguments, but I have trouble with the subject of evolution, as has been obvious in past postings.

  I do not understand why some are much more fervent in their proclaiming their truth of evolution than they probably were in their preaching door-to-door, the WT message. Some are even more aggressive in promoting evolution than many preachers are in promoting Christianity. They will ridicule people who do not believe evolution, call names, and be extremely rude.

  Why do they think it is so very important that everyone believes as they do? At the same time, those same ones, are very intolerant of anyone attempting to give the Christian point of view. It seems to be almost a religion to some evolutionists.

  Also, I do think there are many cases where some scientists have been dishonest, and cases where scientists have changed 180 degrees in their pronouncements and in each case people were supposed to believe their theories as if they were absolute truth, much like the F&DS.

  I will continue to try to be open minded though, and willing to accept information that is based on facts.

  Some arguments, I believe, are short sited. I have seen statements about "how could God do...." leaving out the thought that "God" could do many things beyond our understanding, such as make the sun stand still.

  I am sure if you told people, in the 1800s, that some day we would be able to sit in our own homes and watch what is happening on the other side of the world, or walk down the street and talk to people all over the world with a little gadget in our hand, we probably would have been accused of having demons, but today those things are realities. Many future things will be taken for granted that today we would quickly say are not possible.

  I believe there is an Almighty God, if evidence proves that the Creator used a form of evolution to create, then I will accept that, but I am not convinced by anything I have read, to this point. (admitting I haven't read very much on evolution)

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  Through everything... do you feel that you learned soemthing?

  by anotheropenviewpoint in

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  i am new to the board and have read countless gripes and pokes at "the organization" but i fail to find one interesting question.. in preface... i was disfellowshiped myself over 5 years ago.

  in that time, i had done much searching, visited many churches and faithes.. going to some for as short as one session and some as long as 6 - 8 months.

  after i felt my search was in vein i stopped attempting to go to these shurches all together.. i never forgot how to pray through.

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  borgfree

  Hi anotheropenviewpoint,

  Your question:

  Do you feel as though you did learn something while you were there through.... ?

  One outstanding thing I learned, after a lifetime of believing the WT org, was just how hateful, hurtful, and downright evil, some of those "wonderful brothers and sisters" could be. Believe me I will never go back to that cult.

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  District Convention Part 1/6. Friday morning

  by Winston Smith :>D in

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  things that the wts could never get away with putting in print but have free reign to say verbally

  heres my summary of the dc after recently having the veil lifted from my eyes re the wts

  part 1/6

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  Thanks Winston, That was very intertaining. I plan to move to California in a few months. I am not known in that area and I plan on having some fun with conventions, JWs at the door, etc.

  I look forward to your next installments.

  Borgfree
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  Explain this to me

  by Ariell in

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  i'm new here.. i would like to question those who tend to disagree with jw teachings, but still seem to believe in christianity and refer to god as jehovah.

  i always told myself that if i were to ever leave i'd stay out of religion all together, because if this isn't the truth than nothing is.

  christianity in today's society is so warped that it's not even funny.

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  borgfree

  I question JW beliefs because I have learned, by study of the bible, and other books, that the witnesses have nothing resembling truth. I will explain that I was born into the JW beliefs, and stayed until I was 54 years old, I knew the JW teachings well.

  I do, definitely believe in God, but do not refer to Him as Jehovah for two reasons, first, I think it is not the proper name, Yahweh is probably closer, second, Jehovah is too closely linked to the Watchtower Society and I choose to distance myself as much as possible from anything Watchtower.

  I thought for many years, just as you said, if we did not have the truth then nobody did, I was very wrong. I am a born again Christian. I attend churches when I choose to, but I have not wanted to join any church. I go to different churches and believe they all (mainline Christian) teach the truth from the bible. Different churches, or denominations, will differ on some things, but they will all believe the most important basics of the Christian faith.

  If the churches are filled with hypocrisy, isn't that the place where hypocrites need to be? I am very much a sinner, and I know I need to be as close to God as possible. BTW, the Watchtower has plenty of hypocrites too.

  I do not hold to any Watchtower teachings, in fact just the opposite is true, I usually discount everything I learned from the organization, and set out to learn everything from scratch. I do not use my own interpretation, or twist. The bible must support what I believe or I will not believe it.

  The Watchtower always said that we could prove what we believed, from the bible, that is not at all true. To prove the Watchtower teachings, you must take parts of scriptures, out of context, and jump all over the bible in the process. You must, now, also, have a different version of the bible, as people were starting to give the JWs too much trouble, using the common translations, and proving the JWs wrong.

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  Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes

  by Simon in

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  (the david bowie song in case you're wondering).

  there seems to be a lot of talk and speculation about the changes that are coming at the next district conventions.

  there have certainly been quite a few articles and talks (esp.

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  Maybe they will announce they were right about the "millions now living will never die" teaching. They just had the wrong expectations. The ones we thought had died are actually alive, invisibly, and all JWs will live forever but invisibly, along with those "millions", and the "faithful ones of old", in another dimension.

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  I'm truly sorry

  by KGB in

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  there has been some post made here to this discussion board that have been completely out of context to this discussion board, some of them had really irritated me to an extent that i said some pretty bad things to certain individuals.

  it has weighed on my conscience for some time amd today especially.

  i attend a baptist church and i am a man who has turned his life over to christ but found myself indulging in conversation that led me to act as if i were of the evil one.

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  borgfree

  KGB,

  Compared to me, you probably don't make many mistakes at all.

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  The kind of Man GWBush is.

  by Yerusalyim in

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  at walter reed medical center in washington dc recently the sergeant major of the army, jack tilley, was with a group of people visiting the wounded soldiers.

  he saw a special forces soldier who had lost his right hand and suffered severe wounds of his face and side of his body.

  the sma wanted to honor him and show him respect without offending, but what can you say or do in such a situation that will encourage and uplift?

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  Teenyuck,

  She is a very nice lady. I do not want to say much, I don't want to cause problems for her, I will say that her husband was once an elder and she has many of her family still in.

  Borgfree

  Edited to add, she is a Republican.
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  The kind of Man GWBush is.

  by Yerusalyim in

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  at walter reed medical center in washington dc recently the sergeant major of the army, jack tilley, was with a group of people visiting the wounded soldiers.

  he saw a special forces soldier who had lost his right hand and suffered severe wounds of his face and side of his body.

  the sma wanted to honor him and show him respect without offending, but what can you say or do in such a situation that will encourage and uplift?

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  Teenyuck,

  You will be the first ex-JW (that I know of) to on to a life of politics.

  Actually there is one in the town where I live, she has been elected several times to city council. I guess I am not quite accurate, she is not an ex, she is still considered a JW, no action has been taken against her.

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  Disfellowshiping - Get a life

  by Pepper in

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  disfellowship

  >> i have read many stories here about those who have been disfellowshiped.

  they express the pain of the experience, and the emotional trauma they experience.

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  borgfree

  Pepper,

  I was born into the org. also, so I agree with what has already been said.

  Your comment:

  I have to ask a question. What did you expect? You knew the rules. You knew what happens when you leave, at least I did, so why are you shocked? If you get even a modicum of recognition afterwards, you should be grateful. After all, when you leave, they owe you nothing, and you know it. When you were a true believer, you would have done the same thing that was done to you, so why are you surprised?

  When I was a practicing JW, and believed their teachings, yes, I did expect to be treated like that, and I accepted it as correction from God, no problem, but, when I actually did research and found that I was lied to and deceived, then chose to leave that false religion, I do not and will not accept their disgusting rules and behavior.

  Borgfree