According to the IQ test that got me stuck in the gifted program in school - 142. That was in 4th grade, and the program was called DELPHI - Developing Enlightened Learners through the Process of Heuristic Involvement.
RebelliousSpirit
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I Q
by stillajwexelder inalready got a thread on intelligence but any of you care to state what your measured iq is/was last time you checked 9had it checked)
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RebelliousSpirit
Jehovah's Organization is just that. It belongs to Jehovah. It currently resides in the heavens, and anyone that is found righteous will inherit the Kingdom of God. Jehovah Himself has already found you worthy. He just relayed this to me, and will relay it to you in your dreams. Fill your heart with contentment. It is love that will heal the nations. Please pass this message on as a Witness to those on this forum. Jehovah has blessed you. The faithful and discreet slave of JAH, ALA, and also YHWH
Holy cr@p - is this guy for real??
I honestly have to say that I can't imagine this guy being a JW - rather I think the WTS/GB would collectively drop dead if they read his posts. LOL! I've never heard such ridiculous nonsense - even from a Witness.
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Note-Taking at Meetings: What's the Point?
by Room 215 inthe last time i was at a meeting, i was struck by how many jws -- mostly women and pre-teenage kids were assiduously taking notes.
i mean, what is the point?
do they really believe the guy on the platform is saying anything that can't be found -- and reiterated -- dozens if not hundreds of times in their printed material?
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RebelliousSpirit
I contribute this to my ADD and general OCD but I am a list maker...I make lists of everything. In fact, I am in class right now with my laptop and I keep lists as text documents on my desktop, here are my current lists:
apartment requirements (things I want in a new place)
documentary list (things I want/need to do for my capstone)
photo printing (places and prices of B&W printing)
shopping list (food)
tax returns (what I want to do with the refund money)
and lastly: my to-do list
Now my question is....what does not mean? am I crazy?If you're crazy, then so am I. I am a list maker and a note taker as well.
I am willing to bet it's the OCD, because I also have OCD. Lists are a way to keep things organized and under control. Note taking is a way of visually organizing your thoughts. People with OCD have so much going on in our brains that it's almost paramount to put everything "on paper". Giving in to the compulsion eases the obsessions I guess.
Why do I take notes at meetings? I don't know. Partly the OCD. Partly because I went to college, and you just come to associate a "learning atmosphere" with note taking. I never thought about it until recently, when I actually looked at my husband and said, "I do NOT feel like taking notes ANYMORE!" - it would appear that my autopilot button finally came unstuck. LOL!
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i was wondering....
by myvalk inwhy are there so many intelligent people in the truth, if its clearly hogwash?
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RebelliousSpirit
why are there so many intelligent people in the truth, if its clearly hogwash?
Intelligence is relative. I have met many "uneducated" JWs who in average conversation don't speak all that intelligently, but they sound phenomenal on the platform! People are good at what they know. I was told by some in my husband's hall that my intelligence and my college education will make it more difficult for them to be able to convince me of "the truth" because intelligent people tend not to believe in God, etc. Hmmm ... I believe in God, no problem. I just don't "believe in" the Society.
IMHO they may as well be saying - "Watch those intelligent people, it's really hard to pull the wool over their eyes!"
Recently a sister in the hall said (in front of me) to another sister, "Don't be intimidated by worldly people with a higher education, they really don't know anything because they don't have the truth". I had to restrain myself from hitting her over the head with my BE book.
There are alot of very intelligent people who smoke too!
Yes, and I would be one of those people. lol! My intelligence has nothing to do with it - I know smoking is bad for me, but I choose to do it anyway. I think that proves a good point for this discussion. lol! I am clearly an oxymoron - a stupid intelligent person.
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Prayer on my fridge ...
by RebelliousSpirit inthis is for the ladies to appreciate .... dear lord,.
i pray for wisdom to understand my husband;.
love to forgive him;.
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RebelliousSpirit
This is for the ladies to appreciate ...
Dear Lord,
I pray for wisdom to understand my husband;
Love to forgive him;
And patience for his moods.
Because Lord, if I pray for strength,
I'll beat him to death.
Amen.
I wonder how many JWs who have been in my house have noticed that prayer on my fridge?
LOL!!!
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Did I challenge my JW husband too much?
by wordlywife inin case all of you don't know, i'm married to a wonderful jw man, for a few years now.
he was reinstated ater we were married.
anyway, i have children from a previous marriage and at times disagree with my husband on discipline, how things are explained, etc.
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Am I missing something here? These are YOUR children. Why on earth are you ALLOWING anyone else to do YOUR job?
I have to agree, it was the first thing I thought when I read the post. My husband and I have 2 children together, they are his just as much as they are mine. However, I won't even let him drag his own kids through this without my say-so (which won't happen).
I know the JWs will expect him to bring the kids to meetings with or without me. And let me tell you - that won't happen. As it is now, we go to meetings together and I will not bring the kids. We have been "spoken to" numerous times where it has been "suggested" strongly that we should be bringing the kids to meetings, attending as a family. And every single time it's come up I have made it clear that these are my children, I am their mother, and I know what is best for them.
And let me tell ya - what is NOT best for them is forcing my 10 month old (who recently learned how to walk and wants to be FREE, lol) to sit through three 1-2 hour long meetings every week, or dragging a 4 year old and 10 month old out in subzero weather and snowstorms to said meetings, or keeping them up WAY past their bedtime to "teach them how to sit" when they already know how to sit, thank you very much, or subjecting them to the poor children in the KH who ARE forced into the aformentioned things and spend the entire meeting screaming their guts out or driving their parents and everyone else bananas.
Thankfully my husband and I are in agreement here. But even if he didn't agree now, it would be of no matter. We discussed such things long before we got married, and he'll hold to his end of the agreement come hell or high water. And that is the bottom line.
(Do you all see why I would make a lousy JW? I know I see it - but "the friends" beg to differ. Aren't they paying attention? lol)
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Did I challenge my JW husband too much?
by wordlywife inin case all of you don't know, i'm married to a wonderful jw man, for a few years now.
he was reinstated ater we were married.
anyway, i have children from a previous marriage and at times disagree with my husband on discipline, how things are explained, etc.
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Even the lingo is starting to pop out at me and I don;t like it. Why say "Ones" hen talking about people at the KH? Can't you just say "people"?
I had to laugh at this WW. I dont know if you've read my thread, but I am also married to a lifelong JW who was DA when we met (7 years ago) and was reinstated back in October. I've actually been studying recently, but it's not going so well as late, at least in the JWs opinion.
Anyway ... the lingo has started driving me bananas too! And it's funny you mention that in particular because just this past week I started thinking "ones"?? Why is it always "ones"?? Or lets not forget "the friends" who "appreciate" everything every other sentence. And if I hear that we're living in "critical times hard to deal with" in "this system of things" one more time I just might scream!
It didn't bug me much before, but lately it has been. So that part of your post made me chuckle.
(((WW))) - I know how it is to be in your shoes. ::sigh::
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Vigil for my daughter, please.
by outnfree inas mentioned in my other thread, my daughter lena is having brainsurgery on monday, jan 24. the surgery will last 6-7 hours, so i'm hoping the board members will be willing to make a special effort tomorrow to send positive thoughts, healing energy, good wishes and prayers her way.
we are asking that the surgeon's hands be delicate and skillful and that lena does not bleed overmuch and that brain damage be minimal (if not non-existant).
surgery begins at 8 am eastern standard time (us), but we have to have her to the hospital by 6 am, so this is "good night!
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RebelliousSpirit
Sending prayers and positive thoughts that your daughter's surgery goes well.
I will keep you both in my thoughts. Please update when you can!
(((Brenda)))
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The continuing saga of being in love with a Witness
by starcrossedpimp ini don't know how many read my prior post "problems with jw girlfriend and her family", but i feel the need to continue the story as it is very current and is taking quite a toll on both of us.
she and i also work together at a grocery store, so even if she does/did decide to break things off (because of her parents and the religion) we would still see each other (i'll get to this in a minute).
we both know that we still love each other and that we deserve to be together, but can this religion be stronger than true love?????
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Wow, I am almost in tears reading your story. You want the opinion of a non-JW, who is also not an ex-JW, who has also been in love with a JW for 7 years?
I met my husband while he was disassociated 7 years ago (he was 20, I was 22). Much to the JWs chagrin he moved to where I live (250 miles from where he's from), moved in with me as friends to get away from the pressure put on him to be reinstated, and after someodd months we realized we were in love. A year and a half later we were married - he loved me, he knew what marrying me and not "going back" could cost him, he never looked back.
Fast forward 6 years to last May, when I offered my support if he wanted to be a JW again. For years I had also called the JWs a "cult", I hated all of the pain they caused my husband. But something always seemed to be missing in him, he had NO relationship with God whatsoever (I am a practicing Catholic), and we had children who needed their father's spirituality. But for all those years he thought God hated him for leaving the JWs - and I guess the ONLY way he saw to rectify that was to go back. I didn't like it, but I love him, so I supported him. He has been reinstated since October, and it has not always been easy. Here's where I can relate to you:
Even though I vowed it would never happen, I found myself studying beginning in August last year. I somehow thought that I could become a JW and spiritually unite our divided family. That's something that is VERY important to me. And I thought, "What's the big deal if I become a JW anyway, it's just another religion". I wanted to do this for my husband, and for his parents, and for the benefit of our children. But it's starting to backfire ...
I've been studying for 5 months now, and instead of understanding God better (I've always been a spiritual person who loves God), I feel like I don't understand anything about God anymore. Studying has turned me in circles, I barely know which way is up anymore. Everything would be just fine if I was willing to accept the faithful & discreet slave thing, and thusly the blood policy which would require me to allow my children to DIE should they ever need blood. I thought studying would help me come to see that this is God's will - but that's a no go thus far. I can't reconcile it in my head, and I'm a smart woman (which is my downfall according to the JW's).
I guess what I'm trying to say is that while it's noble of you to want to study to be united with your GF - DON'T let anyone pressure you into it, make you think you HAVE to do it - you will fail. Maybe not now, but later - if it's not in your heart, if you can't come to believe it 110% - you risk being DF in the future. And what would that do to your relationship with your GF, her parents, etc? Be sure of what you're doing BEFORE you do it. Because once you study, if you "reject" their truth, they will see you in a far worse light than they see you now.
I guess my questions would be - is it in your GF's heart to remain a JW, or does she remain out of fear? If it is out of fear, is it really smart for you to join her as a JW to live your lives that way?
There is no easy answer for your dilemma, but I feel for you. I hope you work things out. And be careful ... this is not as simple as it might seem. Lord knows I've learned that the hard way.
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Can someone take me through what it means to start/do a "study"?
by wordlywife inwhen i attended with my husband, (i am not jw, he is over 20 yrs.
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i didn't know what they meant, husband never pressures me with this kind of questioning.
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WW,
If you want to know what happens once you start studying - read my thread entitled "Studying ... confused, conflicted". When you're married to a JW (I am too) and you start studying, there begins your whirlwind. And if you decide (like me) that you can't commit - it's damn difficult to get that point across to people without "bringing reproach" on your husband. ::sigh::
The JW's believe that worldly people are ignorant to the "truth" about Jehovah God, thus they have a "chance" - it's better NOT to know anything, than to know and turn your back on their "truth". Once you study and decide not to commit you must be "wicked" because you've seen the "truth" and turned your back on it.
It's no picnic to go back once you've jumped in.