No arguments here.
None here either.
Just that the article was blaming the WTS when it should also blame the bible first for having that verse in it. That's were the original quote came from, not the WTS.
R6Laser
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NEWS 'false religion' tract graphic imagery
by DannyHaszard inaustralia post comment on 'false religion' tract graphic imagery inspirations: the harlot and the beast.
sydney morning herald, australia - 27 minutes ago.
we're wondering whether sometime last month, a couple of jehovah's witnesses might have visited the home of sheik taj el-din al-hilaly, because we've been ... we're wondering whether sometime last month, a couple of jehovah's witnesses might have visited the home of sheik taj el-din al-hilaly, because we've been reading some fascinatingly familiar remarks in a pamphlet headed "the end of false religion is near!
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NEWS 'false religion' tract graphic imagery
by DannyHaszard inaustralia post comment on 'false religion' tract graphic imagery inspirations: the harlot and the beast.
sydney morning herald, australia - 27 minutes ago.
we're wondering whether sometime last month, a couple of jehovah's witnesses might have visited the home of sheik taj el-din al-hilaly, because we've been ... we're wondering whether sometime last month, a couple of jehovah's witnesses might have visited the home of sheik taj el-din al-hilaly, because we've been reading some fascinatingly familiar remarks in a pamphlet headed "the end of false religion is near!
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R6Laser
The point is:this is how the Watchtower's lifesaving message looks to the general population as the comic book nonsense that it really is.
Ok, this is a good point. But this message is actually coming from the bible. The quote in question is an actual verse in the bible.
So shouldn't the point be this: how the 'Bible's lifesaving' message looks to the general population as the comic book nonsense that it really is.
Remember the quote itself came from the bible, that's what I'm trying to say. So the bible should be labeled as the comic book nonsense that you mention it really is.
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NEWS 'false religion' tract graphic imagery
by DannyHaszard inaustralia post comment on 'false religion' tract graphic imagery inspirations: the harlot and the beast.
sydney morning herald, australia - 27 minutes ago.
we're wondering whether sometime last month, a couple of jehovah's witnesses might have visited the home of sheik taj el-din al-hilaly, because we've been ... we're wondering whether sometime last month, a couple of jehovah's witnesses might have visited the home of sheik taj el-din al-hilaly, because we've been reading some fascinatingly familiar remarks in a pamphlet headed "the end of false religion is near!
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R6Laser
Our eye was caught by an illustration on the Jehovah's Witness pamphlet which appears to show a cat eating an uncovered woman .
Wow, so where's the drawing showing this on the tract.
"Picture the scene. A harlot is sitting on the back of a fearsome beast. The beast has seven heads and ten horns (Revelation 17:14) ... False religion straddles the back of this political beast, attempting to influence its decisions and to control its direction ... Soon, though, an amazing event will take place. 'The ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire.' (Revelation 17:17).''
Actually that's a quote from the Bible itself, not just the tract. So I guess what this crazy Sheiks said is also a verse in the bible.
Here's the actual verse of Revelation 17:16,
Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
So, what's your point? I don't get it.
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How do you feel about "Ultimate fighting?"
by free2beme inbecause i turned a lot of attention to martial arts, after leaving the witnesses, i got a lot of connections with people in the martial arts and fighting world.
i have sense stopped training, after many years and black belts.
what do you think of this fighting, do you like it?
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R6Laser
R6Laser
The reason I ask is because one of my sons age 22 is interested in taking some sort of martial arts classes. To me it would make sense to have him take something that would provide a useful set of tools. I seems to me that Brazilian jiu-jitzu would accomplish this. Does the training provide a good all around experience...i.e. mind, body, spiritual etc... Or does it just give you a lot of confidence knowing that you could dismantle someone rather quickly and efficiently.
On my opinion Brazilian Jiu-jitsu is a great art to learn. Alot also depends on the instructor and how he or she teaches the class and what purpose the training is for. My instructor would start the class with excercises then we would start different drills depending on the technique we were trying to learn. Finally after class, it was open mat, where you could basically choose a partner and practice what you learned on the day. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu basically revolves around being on the ground most of the time, even though there is also stand up, and that might turn some people off. That's why our instructor also incorporated some standup like muay-thai so that you learn both and are well rounded. I don't know if you have seen Sport Jiu-Jitsu in action but its pretty intense, basically imagine wrestling with submission moves.
One thing that helped me was like I said getting into an open mat session first without signing up full time. I think most schools do that now, where you can go in to the class and try it out for one or two sessions and see if that's what you want.
There's a lot of misconceptions about mixed martial arts, but it has to do with all these years of promoters who didn't care for the sport and only wanted to show people beating up each other. The martial artist who actually trains and does it because they find it fun are very skilled, and it takes a lot of hard work to become good at it.
As far as the saying that the gloves used in Ultimate Fighting are not safe, that's another myth. Do a search on it and you'll find many reasons on why. Take for example Boxing where the objective is to hit someone as many times as you can in the head. Just because the glove is bigger doesn't mean its not doing damage. Also in Ultimate Fighting you don't get hit on the head as much as in boxing, there are many ways to stop a fight. The boxing glove was built to protect the hands of the boxer not the head. Research it on your own and you'll see that even with all this bad rep, mixed martial arts is not as dangerous as boxing, or other sports. Sports in general are going to be dangerous, take for example football, soccer and so on. Hell its more dangerous me driving my motorcycle down the street!
Engaging in mixed martial arts or stepping up in the ring has nothing to do with self esteem. I guess if you haven't trained or experienced it you can't really now what's the motivating factor. Once again I'm talking about trained fighters not these guys who go to a bar and just sign up to a toughman contest and beat each other up withou knowledge of the sport. I also found that when either stepping in the ring or sparring with someone, there's certain respect that you have for your opponent and when its all said and done it all ends with either a handshake or bowing down if you are in a traditional martial arts school.
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How do you feel about "Ultimate fighting?"
by free2beme inbecause i turned a lot of attention to martial arts, after leaving the witnesses, i got a lot of connections with people in the martial arts and fighting world.
i have sense stopped training, after many years and black belts.
what do you think of this fighting, do you like it?
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R6Laser
R6Laser What do you like about Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu ? Was your interest inspired by the 180 pound Royce Gracie systematically submitting all his UFC opponents or does it go deeper than that.?
Well, when I was in high school I did some wrestling. Then as I started college I met a couple of guys in the gym practicing submissions on the ground. They had an open mat day and I decided why not, I know wrestling so I should be able to hold my own. Boy was I wrong, everyone in that class that I rolled with proceded to submit me with relative ease, even people that I outweigh by several pounds. I found out that most of those guys and girls (there were actually a couple of girls in that class) were also taking Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and that's where they're submissions came from. So that got me interested and I joined regularly.
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How do you feel about "Ultimate fighting?"
by free2beme inbecause i turned a lot of attention to martial arts, after leaving the witnesses, i got a lot of connections with people in the martial arts and fighting world.
i have sense stopped training, after many years and black belts.
what do you think of this fighting, do you like it?
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R6Laser
R6Laser
IMHO, anyone that goes into the cage claiming to be a True Martial Artist is a charlatan, no matter what Dan or Belt they hold. Then again. many people embark upon the journey into the Matrial Arts with the wrong mindset and atitude.
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I agree, it has nothing to do with stepping into a cage. It has to do with whatever art you're into and practice. Stepping in a cage and fighting is a different matter all together. You don't like it and that's fine. Tons of people enjoy watching it and like myself some even enjoy participating in it. If I feel right doing it and want to experience it, why shouldn't I? Just because the majority of people don't like it? This coming from a forum where most have expressed they are free to do what they want and they don't want the big ol borg in their lives, yet there are still some who still judge others by what they do or don't do.
Now I just practice Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and just do it for the sport and nothing else. Not only you learn self-defense but our training is pretty hard and keeps you in shape.
I was refering to these toughman contests where everyone and anyone is allowed to fight, those are the events that give martial arts a bad light and why people want them banned. Just like any sport mixed martial arts when promoted and conducted correctly under sanctioned rules is fine. There are plenty of physical sports that result on injury or even death. As a matter of fact there have been more deaths in boxing than with full contact fighting.
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How do you feel about "Ultimate fighting?"
by free2beme inbecause i turned a lot of attention to martial arts, after leaving the witnesses, i got a lot of connections with people in the martial arts and fighting world.
i have sense stopped training, after many years and black belts.
what do you think of this fighting, do you like it?
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R6Laser
There is a huge gap between Ultimate Fighting and True Matrial Arts!
Not really a difference between the two. Unless you want to count how many so called 'True' martial artists have gone into the ring and been beaten over and over by some one with submission experience.
Those that are serious about it and not in it for the whole 'lets beat people up' are martial artists. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Muay-Thai, Wrestling are all martial arts as much as Karate or Hapkido or any other art.
I agree that those that are just in it for the violence aspect, or those promoters that do it for the shock value are in the wrong. But if you go to a sanctioned event with an open mind and see how much training goes into it, you might look at it from a different point of view.
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How do you feel about "Ultimate fighting?"
by free2beme inbecause i turned a lot of attention to martial arts, after leaving the witnesses, i got a lot of connections with people in the martial arts and fighting world.
i have sense stopped training, after many years and black belts.
what do you think of this fighting, do you like it?
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R6Laser
It sounds to me like the promoter of those fights was not very good at setting the correct rules or referee's for those figths. Back in the early UFC days ultimate fighting I agree was a brutal sport. Headbutts, elbows to the head and such were allowed. Now the sport has grown, the Nevada Athlethic commision has stepped in and regulated it. But I do agree that there still are promoters who are doing the sport a lot of harm by having these types of fights where a lot of blood and harm comes out of it.
I myself trained in full contact fighting and actually stepped in the ring and fought many times. I trained in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Muay-Thai, Wrestling, and boxing. To the events I went to, all the fighters were fully trained and knew what they were doing. Ocasionally there was the gruesome knockout or dislocated elbow. I myself was knocked out a couple of times. But that also happens in boxing. Getting knocked out is a part of a danger when you step in that ring.
Now those gloves being so small and with almost no padding are actually to make it easier for the submission artists when they are on the ground working on submissions. It is almost impossible to try and submit someone with full boxing gloves. Every ultimate fighting event that I went or participated in, was properly supervised and the referee's actually knew what they were doing. Let's say for example I'm aplying an armbar to my opponent, my opponent has to either escape out of it, tap out or if the referee sees that the arm is in danger of being dislocated the fight gets stopped right there. Same thing when there's a cut or too much bleeding, the fight gets stopped the fighter gets checked out and will get stopped if the ringside doctors see it necessary.
Ultimate fighting when done by responsible promoters is a great sport to watch. Of course there are exceptions, like the one's you witnessed.
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Did anybody else see this crazy stuff???
by drew sagan injw memorials.
not only is this strange, but it is also a huge ripoff.
who would even conceive of such a bad idea??
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R6Laser
Thats very interesting since the Society has always encouraged cremation without a real funeral service, thus taking away from loved ones grieving process and now there is this site to help those remember? Good lord, money making racket for sure.
Where do you get your information? I have never heard of the Society encouraging cremation. This is why information taken from a forum is not always a good thing. According to you the Society encourages cremation. Well, they forgot to mention it to my family when I had family members die, that we were supposed to cremate them. Even if its encouraged like you say it is, this is basically a personal decision. Why the hell would you listen to the Society on this. Oh I forgot, almost everyone here did as they were told even to the most minute detail.
This to me is an example of a personal view from possibly an elder or someone else and being passed around as something mentioned by the society.
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Violence disguised as comedy
by Lady Lee inlately, here in ottawa, there is a tv ad for a comedy show.
it has a "teacher" in front of a 3 student class.
the teacher says that when he asks a question everyone should put up their hand.
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R6Laser
Where do we draw the line? How about starting with not seeing something that offends you. If something in TV offends you then I would think you should have the common sense to turn it off. It starts with parents being vigilant on what their children get to see on tv or play in video games. The one thing that offends you might not offend someone else.
That's one thing I can't stand about people who try to control everything, or make a big deal about violent tv shows or video games. It's not their choice to see them, if you don't like them fine, turn off the tv or shut down your computer. But to impose on a whole group of people and draw a line just because you think is offensive is just using the same kind of dogma the WTS is using. Have you ever heard of free will? I don't want to be told what I'm able to watch in tv, or play in my computer by someone else who thinks we should all think the same way.