urgent - i need an opinion from a pediatric oncologist.
i need a pediatric oncologist to quickly review some medical records and give an opinion on whether blood transfusions would have allowed bethany a chance to live long enough to find a treatment that would have offered her a chance to live.
also, if she had not received arsenic trioxide would there have been a possibility that she would have survived.
Sorry for your loss.
I think the best way to do this is to contact an attorney. Attorneys can find medical experts who will review records and will testify to their opinions. Just hiring any doctor willy-nilly, who might not even be willing to testify in the end, is risky and perhaps may waste time and $.
up until this evening i had thought teresa schiavo was in an unconcious state, lying on a bed with just a machine keeping her alive.
how wrong was i?
i saw her smiling and showing awareness of her surroundings.
Whatever opinions people have are fine with me. Just a few thoughts though.
2nd, she is "Vegetative", this terminology is used to seperate her from us humans, only by accepting this will people think its ok to kill her. She is a vegetable, she is not a person!
This is not accurate. People very often misunderstand medical terminology, and this is a primary example. Taber?s Medical Dictionary defines ?vegetative? as ?functioning involuntarily?. It is a valid medical word and has absolutely nothing to do with dehumanizing her.
(Think of the term ?plastic surgery?. Many people mistakenly think that this term means surgery involving implantation of a plastic material. In medical terms, plastic means repair.)
Regardless of the state of this woman?s brain, it is her right to die in peace. People choose to decline life support, nutrition, and hydration every day in every hospital, and this has been going on for eons. They do so when they are conscious, too. A person need not be unconscious to have any of this care withheld. It is their choice to make.
Please watch CNN to listen to an expert speak about the ?starvation?. To a layperson it sounds barbaric, but it actually is not.
Terri chose to allow her husband to made medical decisions for her when she failed to put anything to the contrary in writing. That was her choice, and she had a right to make it. She knew she had a very dangerous medical condition that could result in this situation, too. It?s not as if this situation was sudden or an accident. The failure to put anything in writing defers decision-making to the spouse. It?s the same situation as a wife not executing a will; everything is inherited by the husband unless a will states otherwise. Choosing not to act is a choice; IMO it's terrible to disregard that choice.
I hope no one ever overrides my wishes or my husband?s ability to enforce my wishes. If there are suspicions as to his behavior, then I hope they are investigated. However, I wonder why this is still an issue after 15 years.
It is not uncommon for family members to disagree, but legally it is the spouse?s decision to make. Like I said, this scenario plays out every day in hospitals all over the country. It is far from being an unusual situation. I fear the politicians are jumping on this case because they can get free publicity on it.
The article BigTex posted is rational and gives some insight into the facts of the matter. A layperson could easily be tricked into believing that the facial ?expressions? they are seeing is evidence of life instead of reflexes. I fear that is what?s happening.
If these people are lying about this woman talking this morning, they are truly evil.
first off, i must say i am not a jehovah's witness.
but i am currently involved in an intimate relationship with someon who is.
i just wonder if someone can tell how this works.
Misty, Go into the conversion thing with your eyes wide open. Get info about JWs from sources outside the JWs to get the "rest of the story".
One of my parents joined the JWs when I was a child and I escaped it--yes, escaped--when I was 18-19, not because I was kicked out of the religion, but because I was being mentally abused by it. It was a terrible, terrible ordeal that ruined my life for years. Took me a very long time to heal.
Here are some web sites I strongly encourage you to visit to understand other points of view. JWs strongly discourage people from listening to "ex-members" or "opposers". However, isn't the best wan to understand an issue to consider both points of view?
i was just thinking of this, because of my last post topic.
if the watchtower changed their no blood policy to accepting whole blood, would and could that .
open the flood gates for law suits from jdubs that sacrificed their children for the tower, or would .
Recently the Society informed all elders that those members who accepted a blood transfusion were not to be automatically disfellowshipped. This change of policy was not made known to the ordinary members. This change may well have been the result of pressure to conform to the legal requirements of The Human Rights Act
...The Human Rights Act being a UK law, if I'm not mistaken. Was this communicated only to the Elders and not to the rank and file? A suspicious technique, to be sure.
This brings up an important question for me: If this "rule" (covert or not) is applicable to UK JWs, and the JWs do not recognize political boundaries in doctrinal rules, then wouldn't this rule be true worldwide? Is it, or has it just been made known to the UK leaders?
i was just thinking of this, because of my last post topic.
if the watchtower changed their no blood policy to accepting whole blood, would and could that .
open the flood gates for law suits from jdubs that sacrificed their children for the tower, or would .
there is no liability now for damage or even deaths that might result because a member acts upon what has been taught
I hope someday the courts will recognize brainwashing, threats of shunning, and threats of imminent death at the hand of Jesus as liability on the part of the WTS. Certainly, adult JWs are not acting freely to make medical choices. They are being coerced. The difficulty is in proving that a JW is not acting freely. Individual JWs routinely claim they are acting freely, so it is almost impossible to prove they are not.
Even worse, minors are being forced to comply with JW rules and their valid medical needs are neglected.
i remember awhile back many said they enjoyed the fictional book "the celestian prophecy" by james redfield.
well they are making a movie that has been in production for some time now and should be released some time this year.
hear is a site that can give you some interesting info about the author.
I really liked both of his books and appreciated them as fascinating works of fiction. I lost interest, however, when I found out people were taking it seriously and starting religions based on the books. Sad.
The same thing seems to be happening with DaVinci Code. People are up in arms about that book and are calling it anti-Catholic. I even saw an hour-long documentary (Discover Channel?) named something like "Debunking DaVinci Code". That was hilarious. It's a work of fiction!! Talk about overreacting. No need to debunk it, since no one ever claimed it was true. Next people will debunk comic books.
barbarian productions:.
does anyone have any information on how the watchtower is associated with barbarian productions?
here is the main page for barbarian productions, (keep a keen eye on the names in the threads:).
1 important thing to realize about this is the type of company they've apparently invested in. They produce movies....there is a PG-13 sci-fi horror flick mentioned on that site. Strange choice of investments, no?
Another curious thing about these investments...stocks are more of a long-term investment, no? If they just wanted to secure their assets until Armageddon came, and it's coming at any moment, they would just put the cash in the bank....wouldn't they? Why buy stock?
if they any of them had or have children that needed a blood transfusion to live, i wonder if they would deny their children blood and watch them die for the watchtower society?.
or would you see a quick change of doctrine?
ie: new light?.
Judging from the 1994 magazine glorifying the deaths of children who refused blood, they are proud of the deaths. If their attitude changes, then inevitably so will their doctrine.
the other day i read about a bible commentator who was upset that the wtbts has mis-quoted him.
they had said he felt the nwt was a good translation and he had not.
can't remember where i read it or who he was.. do you have any recollections of times that they had quoted experts in their field and misled the wt readers by implying that the expert supported the wtbts when in fact they had not.
At one point as a teen, I was "losing my faith". I thought it would be a good idea to research some more to strengthen my faith. My research made my doubts increase. I recall finding many misquotes, particularly about the creation theories and the quotes about "signs of the times". I wish I could remember specifics, but I don't.
Wouldn't it be great if the guy you were talking about wrote a letter to the editor saying he was misquoted by the WTS?
i am getting into it with a jw about this, who is claiming that wts encourages and allows jws to do charity work and give donations to non-jw charities.
i know i've seen the opposite in print in wts literature, but i can't find it right now.
google and searching this forum--haven't turned up anything.
Blondie to the rescue...! Thanks!!
