i have always been curious about some of the google ads that appear on this web site.
(i know how it works?the webmaster pasts a code, and google puts up whatever ads they want.
) has there ever been a thread on this topic?
Neo, interesting article!
Elders may become suspicious that "singles" or even those who are already married may be fornicating behind closed doors , yet the elders are not nearby to "chaperone" or to watch them
Got that right!
Dragonlady, everyone, you are all cracking me up!
my wife is getting baptized on the 19th.
there is nothing i can do or say to stop it.
we have 3 children, and i am from a broken home, so i can't imagine divorcing.
CYP, Sorry she made the wrong choice. How awful for you.
It sounds like you are dealing with this as well as can be expected. As others have said, there is little value in asking the Elders to sign a paper saying something is ok. Even if they would (doubtful), it's not a contract, so they can (and probably will) break their word at any time.
However, what you could try is to make a list of the things you want to do with your family, find bona fide WTS literature that says it's ok, and meet with your wife and the Elders to discuss. Show them the articles and ask if doing any of those things would constitute spiritual endangerment or whatever they call it. Make sure to ask your wife, in the presence of the Elders, if any of those things would violate her conscience. (Examples: telling your wife to vote, telling your wife to cook holiday dinner, hanging up holiday decorations in your home, etc. These are things allowed, according to the literature.)
Take notes as to what they say (or heh, heh, conceal a voice-activated audiotape on yourself). Then if they break their word, at least your wife would know the Elders were breaking their word.
If your wife ever does meet w/the Elders to claim spiritual endangerment, you would have documentation of the discussion. You could also try to request a meeting w/the Elders to dispute the spiritual endangerment charge.
so ive been a witness my whole life and i hate it.
i believe its effed up my life.
no sports, no extracurricular activities, small amount of friends, and im like totally innocent compared to my friends i have now.
Stick with the beer and weed and the fat girl will be putty in your hands...
Oh, come on, BM (can I call you BM?). Really. NOT funny. Next you'll be suggesting Roofies...
Your post was funny. I was with ya until you said that.
yesterday i watched a thread grow so fast it was insane.
that thread wasn?t about how bad the society was, it wasn?t about sex or drugs, it was what we thought could have been someone committing suicide, saying they had enough?life sucks and then....
then today i read a second posting of someone who has done an exhaustive study on the postings found within jwd (actually only the tame ones that are from people leaning more pro org than against) and determined what a hate filled sack of pus this place is.
I, too, am amazed when people come to forums and then complain when people say things they disagree with. If I'm not mistaken, forums were started by the ancient Greeks for the purpose of sharing different ideas and debating philosophies. Isn't that why we're all here? As long as people can remain calm and polite, they shouldn't be alarmed when people say something they themselves don't believe.
when the boot is on the other foot.
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how gracious jw?s are when they get a taste of their own medicine.
I wonder why this guy didn't call the cops on the dubs for restraining his movement by encircling him and not letting him out. Sounds like illegal imprisonment to me.
blood transfusions kill patients, say doctors .
(picture: your health daily logo) february 11 1999
london (nyt syndicate) -- blood transfusions given routinely to tens of thousands of critically ill patients may be killing them, doctors have found.
I love how people who haven't been in a life-and-death situation and faced w/a choice about blood critcize the decisions of those who have been. JWs believe we are supposed to respect life. So don't criticize those who respect life so much that they will accept basic medical care in order to preserve theirs.
See the other thread for my responses to news articles used to support the JW stance: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/16/86464/1.ashx
http://www.ajwrb.org/watchtower/images.shtml Hilarious image library from WTS about medical treatment. Take a look for a giggle.
a religious belief of jehovah's witnesses may also be good medicine for everyone
by valerie reitman los angeles times tuesday, march 8, 2005 .
steve and jane hewitt searched far and wide for a surgeon who could straighten their teenage daughter's severely curving spine that had hunched her over at a 105-degree angle.
That's a nice story. I just hope no one takes it as an endorsement of JW beliefs.
1) JW prohibition on blood never had anything to do with infection. It is, and always was, based upon their interpretation of the Bible. This constant attempt to claim credit for sounding the infection alarm is bogus.
2) Bloodless surgery is a wonderful idea originating with medical doctors and researchers, not JWs. Again, it was based upon medical rationale, not to cater to JWs. The JW role in spurning development of bloodless medicine was minimal. Again, the attempt to claim credit is arrogant and distasteful.
3) Though bloodless surgery is a great idea, it is not always possible. Yet the JW doctrine prohibits blood even in cases when it cannot reasonably be avoided. I personally am a victim of a highly negligent JW mother who allowed me to come very close to death many times. This policy is shameless; that is not mitigated by a nice story about bloodless surgery.
ajwrb member sam believer has brought the recent death of a jehovah's witness infant to my.
attention.
this story has been carried by the cbs dallas affiliate and you should view the story here:.
Strange there is no print article about this story. I've looked extensively for it. Nada. If anyone finds an article/link to a site where the article is, please post it ASAP. I'm circulating it to many people, but w/o a non-video link, its value is minimal. Does anyone know how the remaining twin is doing?
in recent weeks, we've had a few jw apologists or sympathizers that have created a bit of a stir around these parts.
some of their posts have been inconsiderate of the feelings of others, causing no small amount of understandable outrage on several threads.
on other threads, some of them have frequently failed to even read the posts to which they are responding, causing them to make comments that are unrelated to the discussion at hand.
Therefore, I am happy to see the apologists on the board. In their own strange way, they help show lurkers what the WTS is all about.
True. I don't think having the apologists on the board is necessarily bad, as long as they are polite and respectful (which everyone should be).
I do feel a sense to try to save these people from the WTS. They are on the board--that's a big first step. There's a reason they're on the board. Just because they're spewing back JW dogma and buzzwords in a defensive manner doesn't mean they actually believe it. They are scared to say anything negative about the dubs, out of a fear that the big J will strike them dead and they'll get DFd due to the unforgiveable sin (apostacy).
I feel bad for anyone who is brainwashed by the WTS. Their willingness to engage in a discussion may very well mean that they have partially begun to think for themselves. I know, when I was a dub, I questioned things and defended "my" beliefs when challenged...all the while actually thinking my "opponents" made some very good points. I think all of them actually helped play a role in me leaving, even if the effect wasn't immediate.
I think it is important to remain respectful, polite, and calm when talking to them, even if they try to provoke. They want us to display bad behavior and sound irrational. Not stooping to that level makes us more credible and more difficult to prove wrong. I've found this technique quite helpful in various forums when talking to current dubs.
i've taken a leaf from holly's book to thank your for having me on the forum - thirteen interesting days but came to realise one cannot achieve much speaking from behind a screen.
people do not know who you really are, nor do you they.
i read many of holly's posts but few others.
I'm not annoyed at all when I read the OP, just sad. Another one who's still brainwashed. Hopefully, some day, he will realize the truth.
