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  Medical Care

  by Phil in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  all the jws that work at the paterson facility, i believe, receive some pay that is so small that they are put below the poverty level as established by the government.

  when one of these members is in need of hospitalization for a serious illness, is the medical care they receive paid for under the government funded "medicaid" program?

  what kind of medical care programs does the state of ny have for these cases?should a person in this position be expected to pay back the expenses incurred by the wt.

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  rebel8

  Odrade, that story makes me sick. How awful for your parents. I wonder if they regret their "service".
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  Knoweedge, Belief and JW's

  by cheeseman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  having been involved in a few online debates with jw's lately, i've realised that no matter how devastatingly logical your argument is, a jw will never accept it.

  i began thinking it's obvious this is the conditioning at work and that hiding from cognitive dissonance is their survival method to preserve there beliefs.. however, what are the component parts of this "we're never wrong" attitude?

  i started thinking back and i seemed to remember a lot of instances in the publications or talks such as:-.

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  If the publications said we BELIEVE such and such would it be as effective?

  I've had that conversation with my JW mother many times, and it goes nowhere. I said the WTS literature and the Bible both emphasize the importance and righteousness of having faith in things that cannot be proven. But name one thing you have faith only in, instead of "knowing for sure" it's true.... she can't....the WTS emphasizes the importance of having faith in them, then simultaneously removes the need for faith by claiming everything is proven fact=good brainwashing technique
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  Reply re: "UN scandal" (personal letter quote)...

  by upside/down in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a response from one of my best friends in the whole wide world who is way "in" in the org.. it's amazing how for such an intelligent, reasonable man that doesn't agree with many of the tenets of the wts party line, ultimately he still tows the party line for the most crucial jw doctrine.... the role of the fds as the sole "channel" for "god".

  i knew it was inevitable... he is the only dub that so far hasn't shunned me..... the following is an excerpt of his personal letter to me.... please read it and critique it.

  (highlight are mine).

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  rebel8

  Your friend's response is disappointing and interesting at the same time. So the WTS had someone actually attending meetings at the UN? Wow. Hypocrites!

  Is it our fault the UN approved us and didn't know how we felt about them? It was no secret.

  Ha! That does not even make sense.

  sKally

  That is so true. They DID make it a secret when they filled out application forms time and again stating they would support UN initiatives and submitted literature they claimed to be supportive of the UN. So when they filled out the application forms and sent in the literature, were they lying?=good question to ask your friend
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  Does God have a Dimmer switch?

  by annalice in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one thing that never made sense to me when i was a jw.

  why is god always making the light brighter?

  is it on some type of dimmer switch?

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  Yes, he does have The Clapper (LOL)!

  He has been directly leading the dubs since at least the 1800s when they began claiming He was.

  He told them to say the world was coming in 1914 1925 1975 2000 and then clapped on to let them know He was lying all along. Clap on! I was just kidding! The world is not ending soon. Go to college, buy houses, get married, have kids, and stop telling the whole world they're gonna die tomorrow.

  He told them it is evil to participate in actual or alternative military service and vote, and sat back while all those people were killed for adhering to that rule. Then he clapped on to let them know he was lying all along. Clap on! I was just kidding about that rule! Comply with the law and avoid execution.

  He told them it is evil to accept vaccinations or blood in any form even if it meant death or other serious health consequences, and sat back while all those people were killed for adhering to that rule. Then he clapped on to let them know he was lying all along. Clap on! I was just kidding about that rule! Go ahead and get reasonable medical care and save yourself.

  Of course, when other religions change their rules, it is evil, and they're just doing it to attract more members...but not the dubs!
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  A very lonely life.

  by Harpy in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  how do i stop having a lonely life?

  i am 33 years old and have never had a relationship with anyone.

  i have never dated..and as much as i would like to blame the jws, truth is i have never been asked out by anyone..ever.. i am a bit large, but i am not too fat or ugly and i think i am a good person, so why can't i find someone??

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  It's really hard to find anyone dateable in their 30s! You do have to be willing to make the first move--if not, you may never get the chance to meet anyone. And you must be willing to accept more "no" answers than "yes". It's hard!

  Have you tried the online dating thing? I would if I was still single. There is that one that the psychologist designed--can't think of the name. (Just create an email address without your name and address in the database, and use that for safety.) I really think those types of services are the best way to meet people. You can "meet" a larger # of people than you could by going to a bar or whatever. Your "candidates" will be screened to ensure they match your interests, but like any dating situation, the info is only as accurate as the person wants it to be. But at least you'll be eliminating dates with a lot of men who don't match your interests/requirements/etc.

  It's important to show you are an independent, happy person. Put your best foot forward. Do the girly stuff--your nails, etc.--that shows you are interested. Hobbies are a must--join a hiking club, charity, whatever.

  Honestly, I wouldn't mention your dating history at first. Give 'em a chance to get to know you. When it first comes up, just say you haven't dated much. You can tell the rest of the story later when your relationship has progressed to that point.
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  Forfeit Grounds for Divorce - Pedophile style

  by little t in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i shouldnt tell you all this...

  you heard it right, folks.

  imagine wearing that across your forehead for the rest of your "christian" life.

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  I have no words either.
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  ex-JW experiences JW "love"

  by tetrapod.sapien in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one of my ex-best friends am i over reacting and just being "touchy" and should not send the reply in anger?

  it is really worse than death.

  he happened to stumble on 3 john vs. 13 & 14 (the same scripture you had wrote on your care package to me for costa rica).

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  Your anger and frustration are valid, TS. Your proposed responses to your friend are logical and correct.

  That being said, you asked for opinions on the option to send the response or not to send it. My recommendation is not to send it. First and foremost, he asked you not to respond. (He wants to have the last word, doncha hate that?) Something JWs often do is trample on people's simple requests and basic good manners. You can show him that you are being polite and respectful by honoring his request to cease communication--you would be showing much more politeness than he does. Getting down to his level does little good and will make you an easy target for the "crazy apostate" label.

  If you do decide to respond, my recommendation is to drastically shorten it and also to tone it down a great deal. He probably will not read a long letter. He probably would stop reading even a short one if it contains name-calling like "arrogant", etc. The thingee about the 12 men in Brooklyn should be left off as well. I would limit it to a max of 1-2 sentences responding to each of his points, using statements of fact only. Clearly, you desire to communicate your emotions--you can do so by a statement that you are deeply disappointed about his choice and hope he will someday realize the truth and come around.

  Like I said, your feelings and statements in the proposed letter are all very valid, but sending it in its current format may not result in the desired outcome. This forum is a great place to vent in the way you did in your letter--you can use this forum to vent whenever you need to.
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  How can you be raised in the 'truth' and not be one

  by Satanus in

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  rebel8

  I often wonder that same thing myself. The only answer I can come up with is that my experience living that lifestyle was so depressing, I knew that if God wanted us to live like this, then I didn't want to worship God. So on some level, I believed it, but I didn't care.
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  Michael Jackson stuff

  by Mulan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  while cleaning cupboards today, i had court tv on in the other room, listening to the commentary about the mj trial.. i was pretty surprised when they started talking about his going back to jehovah's witnesses and that he had taken his children to a kingdom hall in solvang (near where he lives) around easter time.

  so it was for the memorial.

  they said that since then, he has been attending pretty regularly with his kids, but that because he is disfellowshipped (and they had this information correct, saying he wrote a letter disassociating himself many years ago, but that he is technically disfellowshipped) no one will talk to him.. so, is he trying to make a comeback?

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  :He is a traditional Christian. He's a Jehovah`s Witness.
  
  A child molesting, 'Jesus juice' drinking, face transplant donning, child hanging out a bedroom window dangling, horror show video acting Jehovah's Witness.
  
  GBL

  LOL, I was thinking the same thing! Of course you forgot gender bending, makeup wearing, and cross dressing.
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  Michael Jackson stuff

  by Mulan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  while cleaning cupboards today, i had court tv on in the other room, listening to the commentary about the mj trial.. i was pretty surprised when they started talking about his going back to jehovah's witnesses and that he had taken his children to a kingdom hall in solvang (near where he lives) around easter time.

  so it was for the memorial.

  they said that since then, he has been attending pretty regularly with his kids, but that because he is disfellowshipped (and they had this information correct, saying he wrote a letter disassociating himself many years ago, but that he is technically disfellowshipped) no one will talk to him.. so, is he trying to make a comeback?

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  rebel8

  And Michael probably knew you were coming up as a witness to testify against him. And yet, you said he was still pretty nice to you, huh?

  Perhaps he is trying to manipulate her further testimony.