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  I went to Easter Catholic Mass

  by skeeter1 in

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  a friend invited me and my family to roman catholic easter mass & egg hunt.

  while ive been to a roman catholic church after casually leaving the jws, it was my first time attending after being truly out.

  i was hedonistic and even took communion.

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  skeeter1,
  
  The “talk” was a lot about Christ and his resurrection and eternal life. Not much different than the WTS,
  
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  Disturbing similarity between JW and Islaam

  by Smiles in

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  http://www.islaam.com/article.aspx?id=312.

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  Shining One,
  
  We see no Jews nor Christians strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up as many innocents as they can.
  
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  Before bombs were invented, how did Muslims "suicide bomb" if you get my drift? :D Did they do that thing like with Saul (I think it was him?) He stuck a sword in his chest and suicided?
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  Disturbing similarity between JW and Islaam

  by Smiles in

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  http://www.islaam.com/article.aspx?id=312.

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  Smiles,
  
  You had a link to http://thetruereligion.org/... That's insulting the name of the site! (not having a go at your Smiles!)
  
  The true religion is paying your taxes to ceasar (George Bush, John Howard, Tony Blair...), obeying road signs, social etiquette.... Those sort of things are the true religion, you know? WE are not going to sort out in this life the true religion by the "correct" Holy Book. I believe I heard this a lot as a JW that not all would be believers, which is true. It comes from the heart.
  
  My personal view is, one day (when the new system comes) everyone (according to my belief) will be Christian. But now now!!! In the mean time we should live a normal life and be good citizens, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Pagan (or New Age.) The afterlife is religious superannuation! :D
  
  Getting back to other perspective, we ask God for help if the religion we are praying about is the true religion. God gave us a brain... and we have ample time to figure that out -- and we have all of forever in the afterlife to be taught the "right" religion. This Internet thingy is a good examle of how it will help us to our paths of spirituality. But most people religious or not, are worried about putting "food on the table" in this life...
  
  Sorry, you got me started on something! :D LOL
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  Disturbing similarity between JW and Islaam

  by Smiles in

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  http://www.islaam.com/article.aspx?id=312.

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  Shining One,
  
  Your ex-Muslim friend is not the only one who beliefs the similarities between Islam and Mormonism. Check out this:
  
  http://www.bible.ca/islam/islamic-mormonism-similarities.htm
  
  * "Modern Mohammedanism has its Mecca at Salt Lake... Clearly the Koran was Joseph Smith's model, so closely followed as to exclude even the poor pretension of originality in his foul 'revelations.' " (The Women of Mormonism, Frances E. Willard, 1882, Introduction, p. xvi)
  * "The student of Mormonism will be struck with the similarity of experience and claims of Joseph Smith and Mohammed." (The Rocky Mountain Saints, T. B. H. Stenhouse 1873, p 2)
  * "even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed" Gal 1:8
  
  
  
  
  2. Both were given visions.
  3. Both were told that no true religion existed on the earth. In the published account of his life, Joseph Smith related that he became very disturbed when he was a youth because of the "strife among the different denominations," and this "cry and tumult" led him to ask God "which of all the sects were right — and which I should join." He was told that he must "join none of them, for they were all wrong... that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt..." (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith 2:8-19) N. J. Dawood says that Mohammed was also concerned with the fact that the Jews and Christians had "divided themselves into schismatic sects." In the scriptures given by Mohammed, we read: "Yet the Sects are divided concerning Jesus.... Truly, the unbelievers are in the grossest error." (The Koran, translated by N. J. Dawood, Surah 19, p. 34) In Surah 30, page 190, this warning appears: "Do not split up your religion into sects, each exulting in its own beliefs." In Surah 3, page 398, we read: "The only true faith in Allah's sight is Islam. Those to whom the Scriptures [i.e., Jews and Christians] were given disagreed among themselves through jealousy only after knowledge had been given them."
  4. Both were to restore the long lost faith as the one true religion. Islam makes claim that Adam and Abraham were Muslims, a claim that is as ridiculous as it is undocumented from either history or archaeology. Mormons make the unsubstantiated claim that the church in the first century were Mormon.
  5. Both wrote a book inspired by God.
  6. Both claimed to be illiterate or uneducated and used this as proof the book was inspired. "How could an illiterate man write the Koran or the Book of Mormon?" Joseph Smith is claimed to have only grade three education.
  7. Both claimed the Bible was lost, altered, corrupted and unreliable.
  8. Both claimed their holy book was the most correct and perfect book on earth.
  9. Both claimed that their new "Bible" was based upon a record stored in heaven. With Islam, it is the "mother book" that resides in heaven with God. With Mormonism, it is the golden Nephi plates that the angel Moroni took back to heaven.
  10. Both claim that the version we have in our hands today are identical to what the prophet revealed and that parts are not lost, altered and corrupted. Of course the proof that these claims are invalid is found in two books. The Mormon claim is proven false by a book called "3913 Changes to Book of Mormon" by Sandra Tanner. The Islamic claim is proven false by a book (In Arabic language) called, "Making Easy the Readings of What Has Been Sent Down" by Muhammad Fahd Khaaruun. Both books show that the copy of the book of Mormon and the Koran used today is different from what was originally used when each religion was started.
  11. Both claimed to be a final prophet of God.
  12. Both claimed they were persecuted because of their pure faith.
  13. Both were polygamists who had many wives.
  14. Both borrowed from paganism/polytheism. Muhammad incorporated that polytheistic moon god called "Allah" and "Allah's three daughters" into Islam. Basically Muhammad chose Allah from within 350 known gods that were worshipped in Arabia and proclaimed the moon god to be the greatest and only God. Smith borrowed from a doctrine called "pyramidology" and the Masons and other magic systems.
  15. Both received "after the fact corrective revelations" from God. Muhammad retracted the Satanic verses and Smith retracted his divine order mandating polygamy. But for Mormons it there is even a closer parallel. Sounds exactly like Muhammad and his satanic verses.
  
  "As many false reports have been circulated respecting the following work, and also many unlawful measures taken by evil designing persons to destroy me, and also the work, I would inform you that I translated by the gift and power of God, and caused to be written, one hundred and sixteen pages, the which I took from the Book of Lehi... which said account, some person or persons have stolen and kept from me, notwithstanding my utmost exertions to recover it again — and being commanded of the Lord that I should not translate the same over again, for Satan had put it into their hearts to tempt the Lord their God, by altering the words, that they did read contrary from that which I translated and caused to be written; and if I should bring forth the same words again, or, in other words, if I should translate the same over, they would publish that which they had stolen, and Satan would stir up the hearts of this generation, that they might not receive this work: but behold, the Lord said unto me, I will not suffer that Satan shall accomplish his evil design in this thing: therefore thou shalt translate from the plates of Nephi, until ye come to that which ye have translated... I will shew unto them that my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the Devil." (Book of Mormon, 1830 edition, Preface)
  
  16. Immediately after the death of Muhammad and Smith, a fight broke out from among the "faithful converts" as to who would succeed Muhammad and Smith. Both groups were plunged into irreparable division that has endured ever since. Islam and Mormonism both have squabbles among themselves as to who is the one true splinter group of their prophet!
  17. Mormons, contrary to "baptize the dead" by gathering genealogies of all men who lived on earth. This contradicts the Bible: "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless." Tit 3:9 While the Bible says avoid focusing in Genealogies, the Mormon church makes it their central focus of mission. Mormons have even been criticized for baptizing, by proxy, the Jews had died in Nazi Holocaust camps. When lists of genealogies are collected, living Mormons are baptized, on behalf of, those on the lists, who have already died. In this way, Mormons view every man who lived, as being Mormons. In the same way Muslims claim that all men are born Muslims and when they learn the truth of Christianity, they are apostatizing from their first faith. Muslims re-write history by proclaiming Jesus and the Apostles were Muslims in a similar way Mormons baptize Jews (for example) with the expectation they will be Mormons in the next life. Yet gathering of large genealogical lists no more makes dead people Mormons in the next life, than re-writing history makes Jesus into a Muslim.
  18. Both the Islam and Mormon religions have those who follow the "original doctrine" of the founding leaders and like these founding leaders, are violent, polygamists, and have revelations justifying their evil actions.
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  Special Talk

  by Inquisitor in

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  what was the special talk i've been hearing about?.

  on memorial night on wednesday?

  or was it given as a public address on sunday?.

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  Is the talk really... special? Or is it... ordinary. :D
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  Who has the new publication: What does the bible REALLY teach?? Need Scan

  by Lady Liberty in

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  can anyone out there scan from the first chapter of what does the bible really teach book?

  it is a newer publication.

  aparently on another thread, chapter one explains why questions are good to ask of your religion.

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  When you read this new publication, always remember to use the right JW tone ®©™. :D
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  Are Public Talks Really Public?

  by Blueblades in

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  what would the watchtower say to that?

  notice that no public talks are shown on their official site.

  ever wonder why public talks are not really public.

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  (CAPITALS IN THIS POST IS NOT SHOUTING, BUT SHOWING EMOTION)
  
  Yeah! Thanks for all the input your people! NEVER THOUGHT OF ANYTHING LIKE THIS!!!
  
  YEAH, IF THEY SAID FAITH AND DISCREET SLAVE -- WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? Is that BDSM or what? :) Why would a slave be descreet? I should research on that term "slave." Other Bibles use the word "servant." Slave sounds so archaic...
  
  The private meeting talk (:D) is too hard to understand because JW's always rush through the meetings. I think a "worldly" person would have a heart attack looking up all those Scriptures the male public talker would be dictating to look up. Even I had trouble doing that at times, particularly in the New Testament with those tiny books like Philemon. I wonder with the home churches in Apostle Paul's era, how they would have done it. I bet they would have been more casual. The scrolls were probably to expensive for everyone to have copies, and they probably would have shared. allthewordswouldhavestucktogetherlikethiswithnopunctuationatall
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  Are Public Talks Really Public?

  by Blueblades in

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  what would the watchtower say to that?

  notice that no public talks are shown on their official site.

  ever wonder why public talks are not really public.

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  drew sagan
  If they where REALLY public talks, why not a sign in front of the hall telling the public what the talk will be each week?
  
  The reason is of course that they prefer the "trickel in" method, where individual new members are coached into attending the Kingdom Hall. There is nothing EVER done to let the anyone know that the Hall is a public place on sunday morning.
  
  Our hall invited the pubilc down after it was built to come and see the new building, but that was one day. How many thousands of days have passed since then? It's just NOT an inviting place, it's not designed to be.
  
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  Are Public Talks Really Public?

  by Blueblades in

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  what would the watchtower say to that?

  notice that no public talks are shown on their official site.

  ever wonder why public talks are not really public.

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  Virgochik
  
  If the public was really welcome at the talks, the local Kinkdumb Hells
  
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  Kinkdumb Hells -- LOL!
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  What First Pops Up Into Your Mind When You Hear "Jehovah's Witnesses"???

  by minimus in

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  now, i think "stupid".

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  Sometimes I think of Steve Hassan's book "How to combat mind control" (by title only) never read the book. I think the quotes from it are good. I am sure it's a good read. God bless Steve.