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  JWD/ Apostate Bumper Stickers.

  by RichieRich in

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  this idea came to while i was in the chat... i got a couple... you guys chip in with whatever ya got.. "i'd rather be posting on jwd" and.

  "my other car is an office chair".

  i know those are weak- but somebody's got some good ones...

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  SAVE THE WORLD!! Sleep with an Apostate!!!
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  Dub sayings and their true meaning.

  by diamondblue1974 in

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  jw's have a vocabulary and terminology of their own dont they?

  i have thought about putting togther an apostaglossary to identify those particular sayings and their true meaning; i have included a few to start the ball rolling;.

  'he doesnt have the right heart condition'.

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  "Pioneer Spirit":

  Wake up every morning, go to the hall, wait for nobody to show for the meeting for field service, go out in your broken down ride by yourself, do a few not-at-homes, go home, rinse, lather, and repeat.

  "Pioneer Pace":

  Walk so slowly that everyone else knocks on the rest of the doors so you don't have to.

  "Putting Kingdom Interest first":

  By a four-door car, seek employment as a window washer.

  "False":

  I am four years old. My mother told me to raise my hand and say false. Neither do I know what false means, nor do I know why I raised my hand in the first place. When I do say it, everyone oooohhhs and ahhhhhs and tells me what a good comment I made.

  "Stumble":

  You did or said something politically incorrect that caused another witness to think for him or herself.

  "Throw your burden upon Jehovah":

  The society believes that I am too weak minded to handle my own problems, so I must slough my problems off onto a figment of my imagination, and when that does not solve my problem I must rely on the elders, who will counsel me for not coming to them in the first place.
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  Dub sayings and their true meaning.

  by diamondblue1974 in

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  jw's have a vocabulary and terminology of their own dont they?

  i have thought about putting togther an apostaglossary to identify those particular sayings and their true meaning; i have included a few to start the ball rolling;.

  'he doesnt have the right heart condition'.

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  "Pioneer Spirit":

  Wake up every morning, go to the hall, wait for nobody to show for the meeting for field service, go out in your broken down ride by yourself, do a few not-at-homes, go home, rinse, lather, and repeat.

  "Pioneer Pace":

  Walk so slowly that everyone else knocks on the rest of the doors so you don't have to.

  "Putting Kingdom Interest first":

  By a four-door car, seek employment as a window washer.

  "False":

  I am four years old. My mother told me to raise my hand and say false. Neither do I know what false means, nor do I know why I raised my hand in the first place. When I do say it, everyone oooohhhs and ahhhhhs and tells me what a good comment I made.

  "Stumble":

  You did or said something politically incorrect that caused another witness to think for him or herself.

  "Throw your burden upon Jehovah":

  The society believes that I am too weak minded to handle my own problems, so I must slough my problems off onto a figment of my imagination, and when that does not solve my problem I must rely on the elders, who will counsel me for not coming to them in the first place.
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  What would your conscience permit you to do that an average JW wouldn't do?

  by JH in

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  i didn't mind going to any bar, if i felt like it.

  i know that the average jw wouldn't have went to these places.

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  Independent thought.
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  Living Church of God & the Watchtower

  by JAVA in

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  i?m sure most of you have seen some coverage about the murder/suicide by a member of the evangelical church called the living church of god.

  the church was founded in the mid-1990?s when it split from herbert w. armstrong?s worldwide church of god.

  the living church observes the sabbath on saturday along with other old testament rituals.

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  I won't lie. I've wanted to kick the ass of the school overseer for giving me a "W" on a talk.
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  Was it worth meeting with the judicial committee?

  by 24k in

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  for those of you who met with a judicial committee and were subsequently da'd or df'd, was it worth the time and effort?

  did the elders let you speak your piece, or were they only interested in hearing that key word or phrase that would allow them to act?

  was there genuine interest shown, proboing questions asked, did they really want to know how you felt?

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  I didn't give them the benefit. I submitted my "I Quit" letter, without a meeting. I think thats the best way. Give them a surprise. I quit so suddenly I still have the keys to the Kingdom Hall on my key chain.
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  Was that really necessary?

  by The JellyBaby in

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  i was just relating an experience to my kids about times i felt embarrassed as a youngster.. i gave them a story about the time i was going to the meetings.

  we had a congregational outing to a zoo.

  a time for team building and all that!!

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  During the Memorial why must EVERYBODY, get to hold the emblems. I'm not talking about the audience, but the attendents and the speaker. Didn't they already get to hold it when they passed it around? And whats the deal with holding it anyway? Were we not to "Observe" the emblems?
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  My Story

  by DocHayes in

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  actually i posted my story here one time before... but under a different screen name.

  since then i have forgotten my former screen name, and password.

  the limits of my laziness meant that i would rather create another screen name, and tell my sad, pathetic and uninteresting, story over again.

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  Certainly enjoyed your story DocHayes. I wish more posters would share their personal JW experiences as I feel that these make the most impact on new ones who come to this website (and because they are the most entertaining). One gap in your story is how your mother came to be an ex-JW. I would like to hear that account too if you?d like to share it.

  When my mother noticed that I was "slipping away" she often asked how I was doing. The seperation and other things were causing her to miss meetings too. I would talk to her from time to time about the organization, and persistently asked her to read COC. Eventually she gave in and read it on her own. The difference in her attitude was night and day. Now she's read COC, ISOCF, and combatting cult mind control all on her own.
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  My Story

  by DocHayes in

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  actually i posted my story here one time before... but under a different screen name.

  since then i have forgotten my former screen name, and password.

  the limits of my laziness meant that i would rather create another screen name, and tell my sad, pathetic and uninteresting, story over again.

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  Oh yeah. If anyone is from the NC area get at me.
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  My Story

  by DocHayes in

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  actually i posted my story here one time before... but under a different screen name.

  since then i have forgotten my former screen name, and password.

  the limits of my laziness meant that i would rather create another screen name, and tell my sad, pathetic and uninteresting, story over again.

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  DocHayes

  Actually I posted my story here one time before... but under a different screen name. Since then I have forgotten my former screen name, and password. The limits of my laziness meant that I would rather create another screen name, and tell my sad, pathetic and uninteresting, story over again.

  Anyway here it is. I was born and raised in Greensboro, NC and attended several congregations in my time there. Both of my parents were JW's, and I was baptized when I was 14, right after my freshman year in High School. I believed myself to be the typical "good" JW kid, and our family was always a model family within the congregation. Eventually my father ascended to the position of Elder, and my mother auxiliary pioneered. And not to toot my own horn, but I thought I was the model JW kid. I avoided bad association both "worldly" and those "fringe elements" within the congregation. If you didn't comment at least once in the meeting, you weren't worth talking to in my opinion.

  Unfortunately around this age, the time comes for all teenagers to decide what they intended to do with the rest of their lives. I had decided on going to college (one locally), and pursuing something that would support myself in the ministry (boy, did the WT did a number on me). Well my folks had other thoughts and in the midst of high school we switched to an American Sign Language group in our District. I was thorougly upset. I thought the ASL was the uncoolest, dorkiest, geekiest thing that could be do. While I was not resistant to learning a foreign language.... sign language? How many deaf people did I know before going to the ASL group? None (and how many do I know now? Nada). Anyway, the choice was not mine to make at all. My parents tried to convince me that Jehovah was directing our family to this new group, and nothing but blessings would be bestowed upon our family for taking upon this challenge (or something like that).

  So I had to endure my remaining High School years in a congregation where I did not begin to understand the meetings for about a year and a half. Still I had wrestle with the decision of a post-high school life. Well not only did my parents interrupt my social life as a JW, but it seemed as if they were going influence the rest of my life. They dissuaded me from going to college, and attempted to pursuade me to consider Bether or the Full-Time Ministry- in lieu of college. Well I was thoroughly upset, nothing seemed to be going right with me. I did manage to reach a settlement as to what I was going to do after high school, and we agreed. I was going to Pioneer and attended community college classess in hopes to be a Firefighter and a Paramedic after graduating from High School (as opposed to my original plan of being an Architectural Engineer).

  So directly after High School I began Pioneering. Well this is where the story takes a turn. While at the ASL group my father had a problem with the elders at the Host Congregation the ASL group worked with. Even today I am not 100% sure of the details but whatever happened between my father and those elders was a pivotal moment in my life. My father eventually had to step down as an elder, and stopped attending meetings altogther (he has yet to return). It this time when I became a Regular Pioneer. I Pioneered for one year with the ASL group, and attended Pioneer School. The next year, since I was of legal age and tender, and my folks could see that I had no intention of doing anything ASL related, I moved back to my old congregation. I Pioneered for another year, but family problems between my mother and father began to change things again.

  Natually I was upset, and seeking answers. How could a family that had "put Jehovah first" in our lives be struggling so much? I'm not sure how I came upon Crisis of Conscience but I read it. After reading it, everything I knew was turned upside down. I soon became disenchanted and disgruntled at the Watchtower for what they had done to my family. I soon read Insearch of Christian Freedom, and then Combatting Cult Mind Control, and the deprogramming was done. In less than six months after I took myself off of the Pioneer List I had deprogrammed myself from the Watchtower mindset.

  At this time I was working both as a Firefighter and Paramedic with local departments, and everything was going great. Initially I didn't leave the congregation with any big fanfare... I just slipped away. I would see JW's out and about, and they would talk with me and ask me how I was doing. I would reply, and pray that they would not ask my about what congregation I was attending or anything theocratic. And that was my dilemma for several years. JW's assumed that was happy and carefree serving Jehovah in this congregation or that. Which in itself was not a bad deal, because I could still hang with my JW's associates (but not guilt-free).

  Eventually I decided that the charade in front of family and friends had gone on quite enough and in Jan 2004, I officially wrote my Disassociation letter (although I had stopped attending meetings in 2000). Wow that was more liberating than reading the books. I really and truly felt free. I recieved some backlash from my extended family, but that does not bother me as much. Infact it is quite laughable.

  In my post-JW, I sought out things that I had believed to be absolutely Evil to make a judgement for myself (except for drugs and illegal stuff). I bought myself a motorcycle, developed an appreciation for fine cigars, and pipe tobacco. Tattoo's are coming pretty soon. Also back in October I was sworn into the United States Navy (Reserve). I learned that the Navy and Marine Corps has a need for medical personnel, and since I was already trained, I signed up (thats the Pioneer Spirit in me, lol). The Navy is pretty cool, and while they try to indoctrinate you in all things Navy, I'm a little more hip to the game, and haven't completely submitted my mind to it just yet.

  As far as my immediate family goes... my parents are divorced. My father has not attended a meeting since before I quit attending them. Although he says that he has not put returning to the JW's out of the question, I've not seen him take any steps in doing so. I talk with him from time to time about "spiritual" matters, and he tends to fall along JW party lines about many issues. In the past he refused to read COC, but he accepted it the last time I offered it to him. My mother has read both COC and ISOCF, and is reading Combatting Cult Mind Control. She still maintains that Christianity is "the way", but she's not as dogmatic about it as she was as a JW. My sister hasn't attended meetings in years either, and she doesn't buy into the WT anymore. Although she has not read COC or ISOCF I would like for her to at least read one of those books. My extended family who embraced my family and myself when were devout JW's has turned on us, and worldly family members we turned our backs on when we were JW's have embraced us.

  Well I've rambled on enough... thats my story.