Posts by moshe

i want to tell my wife, the elders, my friends, that i have been watching a pattern develope within the wtbts for years, and that i love them all but feel that tha wtbts has become a mirror of ancient jerusalem when they strayed.

moshe

How did this young man change history?- the military and airforce failed to recogize that his small cessna had violated their airspce and failed to find and intercept his plane, which allowed Mathias to fly to Moscow and land in Red Square. These military blunders allowed Mikhail Gorbachev to purge out old guard military officers who opposed his peace overtures to the west- two years later the Berlin wall was down and the cold war was finished and Gorbachev was on his way to the Nobel peace prize.

Who knows what brave JW who stands up to the WT tyranny might bring down the WT walls?

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New light Watchtower magazine leaked from organization weeks ahead of general release

by cedars in

http://jwsurvey.org/governing-body-2/new-light-watchtower-magazine-leaked-from-organization-weeks-ahead-of-general-release.

if doctrinal explanations are missing from the article, it is because they are also missing from the magazine.. i would like to give my thanks again to my source for supplying me with the magazine article weeks ahead of its scheduled release.

it showed remarkable courage, because risks were taken.

moshe

JWs don't care about changes, they don't need logical proof to accept changes, either. The Jehovah's Witnesses have a destiny= to be obsequious stooges for the WT publishing corporation.

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Where to begin?

by DATA-DOG in

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good morning everyone,.

i am drinking coffee and thinking about something that kept my tossing and turning all night.

i want to tell my wife, the elders, my friends, that i have been watching a pattern develope within the wtbts for years, and that i love them all but feel that tha wtbts has become a mirror of ancient jerusalem when they strayed.

moshe

We see people do brave things in the world even when it appears there is no upside in it for them- like that guy in China who stopped a row of tanks in Tianenman Square. Some people have a lofty goal and throw caution to the wind in order to make a moral point. History remembers these people, but not the doormats who played it , safe.

19 year old Mathias Rust from West Germany wanted world peace, he wanted Russia and the USA to stop the cold war, he wanted Germany to be united.. He was impatient with diplomats and decided he had try to do something about it- it was 1987 , over 25 years ago-

"When I look back, I am of two minds about what I did," said Rust,---"I caused myself a lot of problems, but it was my destiny and you have to live your destiny."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2012/may/28/mathias-rust-flight-red-square-video

What is your destiny in regards to WT bondage?

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Where to begin?

by DATA-DOG in

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good morning everyone,.

i am drinking coffee and thinking about something that kept my tossing and turning all night.

i want to tell my wife, the elders, my friends, that i have been watching a pattern develope within the wtbts for years, and that i love them all but feel that tha wtbts has become a mirror of ancient jerusalem when they strayed.

moshe

D-D , I admire you for drawing a line in the sand.

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Where to begin?

by DATA-DOG in

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good morning everyone,.

i am drinking coffee and thinking about something that kept my tossing and turning all night.

i want to tell my wife, the elders, my friends, that i have been watching a pattern develope within the wtbts for years, and that i love them all but feel that tha wtbts has become a mirror of ancient jerusalem when they strayed.

moshe

I almost quit in 1980-81 (instead of 1988), when the WT changed it's teaching on organ transplants. I told the elders (I had sleepless nights, too)- hey wait a minute, what about all the JWs before 1980 who died, because they didn't get a kidney transplant? They were following the rules that the F&DS told them was god's rules. If they are now saying those weren't god's rules, but instead a mistaken rule from men-- Then the WT society has blood guilt on their hands for those deaths of innocent JWs. - I was questioning them why the WT never said they were sorry for any who died and didn't have to die, nor did they accept the godly consequences for their error. - After a few months the CO came to town and I cornered him, too. Let's just say that Moshe was basically told in strong language to drop it- it was the WT's way or the highway for me. I could think whatever I wanted to think in private, I just couldn't talk about it among other JWs-- as that was causing divisions and was a disfellowshipping offense. A neat trick the WT leaders employ to avoid facing a public JW tribunal of justice for their sins.

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100 Years of Disappointment on the Horizon

by mrquik in

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even as an elder, i had doubts as to this being "the one true religion".

i personally had chosen 2014 as one of those "make or break" dates.

fortunately, i left years ago.

moshe

I have already started jabbing the JWs I knew back in the day about the big party in 2014. I hope they stop and think about this negative WT milestone (or millstone!) they have made.

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Tonight I celebrate a personal milestone...my 1000 post. Now the big decision...chocolate or extra alcohol or both

by StoneWall in

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yeah i know its taken me almost 5 years to reach 1000 post and many of you get that in a few months.. but i do take long extended breaks from the forums (especially in summer months for sun an fun).. i've seen where others had made a thread on celebrating this particular point of being a member on here and thoguht well that sounds fun so i will too.. plus considering how close we are to the "end of this present wicked system of things", and that it was going to happen any day now, and right around the corner, i figured i'd not make it long enough to hit 1000 post.

lol.

anyways hope this post finds all of you out there in good health, with plenty of wealth and enjoying your life to its fullest.

moshe

I believe you joined when it was JW discussion forum, JWD, and 1000 posts made you a Jedi - may the force be with you!

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Internet is right now mocking Memorial tract - hurry before taken down by BORG. Here is the link

by BluePill2 in

remember the guys that started the shit storm with the deaf sign language video?

the multiple funny versions at youtube?.

this time they are mocking the tract (the guy that started this isn't even a ex-jw, but they are pretty good at taking down cults!).

moshe

JWs usually aren'y comedy material-- but this is funny!

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Bitter-Sweet Memorial of nearly 3,000

by Kensho in

this memorial was my 40th (minus a couple of yrs, df'd) and although i have faded as far as possible and still able to keep my family and friends it was the strangest and most reflective of all since learning ttatt.. i tried to focus on the talk to see if it was anything earth shattering but the only thing was the major focus on who should not partake.. i won't focus on the talk as many have already posted that and the fact that it was from a gb/fds outline it was the same everywhere.. i quickly started looking around at all the people wondering how many were like me totally awake like someone who wakes up from anesthesia during major surgery and feels immense pain, but know one in the room knows.. there must be many among us, we can't speak , move or share our pain we must endure.

that is truly hell.. when i looked around at the large crowd i saw many whom i love dearly and have had truly wonderful times with, ones that i would still gladly give my life for not as jdubs but just because of who they are.. .

these are good people who for the most part are just trying to be the best humans possible in an impossible situation.

moshe

Then while passing the wine, it hit me how can the Org pull this off?

Being exiled from the clan 5000 years ago meant sure death come winter, which is something to avoid. I think our brains are hard wired for survival in that regards. The KH could be a modern day version of that clan.= Shunning is the equivalent of an exile.

Second, The JWs have a unique dogma that teaches they can cheat death and go straight into a paradise earth and live life as perfect humans forever. If the JW quits believing the WT mumbo jumbo, then they have to accept their mortality and kick themselves for not going to college, having a family or saving for retirement. It's much easier to go with the flow at the KH than leave and go it alone and take responsibility for planning your life- with the consequences for bad decisions..

Which is why I see so many faders kicking the can down the road= putting off leaving the KH and openly living a free life with a real future. I don't see many fader success stories here, so I have to believe that fading fails more times than it works. Staying too long in the KH can work against you, if you have young children.

Good Luck to you , Kensho.