i am not posting this to justify my actions, i am doing so for the benifit of any witnesses who are unsure about there feelings toward the "truth".
i was a reguler pioneer for about 8 yrs, back when it was 100 hours a month, befor thet i did a couple of yrs as a vacation pioneer, they later changed the name to auxilery pioneer, and during the following 20 yrs i had a few intermitant spells as an auxilery when i had time to.
during my pioneer years i have given talks at circuit assemblies and had assignments at district assemblies .
Hello Londoner,
Nice to meet you. You aren't alone either.
Welcome to the board!
I put in my 30+ years as well.
It is encouraging to read that you "aim to do something usefull with the rest of your days." It would be a Mortal sin to let the Watchtower steal another 50 years from you. FREEDOM from the watchtower is letting go enough to really LIVE!
lim
i was thinking today about how jehovah's witnesses are conditioned to view women.
i'm sure there have been many threads and discussions on this subject.
just curious how you view women now that you are no longer a jw?
I was thinking today about how Jehovah's Witnesses are conditioned to view women. I'm sure there have been many threads and discussions on this subject.
Just curious how you view women now that you are no longer a JW? Do you still consider them within the Watchtower's Subservient role? Do you think that your woman (girl friend, wife, lover etc). should be there when you need her, fix you dinner, clean up after you, look good, please you sexually and shut up when she should?
The Watchtower has always depicted the "dutiful wife" as the picture of perfection. Her role was for the convenience and comfort of her partner. I remember one Watchtower Artist's drawing of a "sensual" woman laying back on a bed in a fluffy robe and big hair...the caption was something like "do you seek your mates pleasure?"
The Watchtower presents their view of women being beneath man over and over within their pages: "It is important that worshippers of God appreciate his view of leadership. The basic principle of headship is set out in 1 Corinthians 11:3 where it is written: ?The head of every men is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God.?
"A man had priority in human creation. He is given priority of position over the woman. The woman was made from a rib taken from the men. she was created for the sake of the man, not the man for her sake. Therefore, the woman, in God?s arrangement, was always to be in subjection to her husband and not to usurp his authority."
Ok, so we know that scientifically you can't yank a bone out of your body and turn it into the woman of your dreams.
How has this "balanced view of headship" affected the way you think of women now?
who needs a wife,,,only 45,000 original miles, great motor with soft purring sounds.... .
only serious inquiries please .
orbi
By Lester Haines Published Thursday 15th May 2003 15:03 GMT
Updated There's no doubt that eBay really is a vast improvement on the old Exchange and Mart when it comes to getting rid of unwanted items. Like girlfriends, for instance.
Indeed, where else could you expect to attract a bid of £10,000,000 for one second-hand partner, described thus?:
One annoying twat of a girlfriend. WARNING GOODS ARE DEFECTIVE!!! Slightly overweight. Teeth are cold (they come with little yellow jackets). Boring as hell. More varied sexlife available from a bag of spuds. She will two tone any residence she is allow access to in samba and sickly yellow, symbolic of a effeminate mexican. Can't/won't/shouldn't be allowed to cook (this may result in poisoning). Owner is forced to sell in order that he be able to gain access to the TV and stop the bitch watching poxy DIY programs despite not knowing which end of a paintbrush to hold. Buyer will collect and never ever return. Attempts at refunds or returns may result in actual bodily harm. Please please please bid now!!! Hopefully said girlfriend will make her own bloody way to buyer saving P&P.
We note that the seller has quite correctly listed his unwanted other half under "Everything Else: Household Appliances". The photo is a nice touch, too, and doubtless contributed to the healthy bidding war.
Readers are advised to enjoy this bit of tomfoolery while they can. Following our report two weeks ago on the four geeks offering themselves for a date, eBay quickly pulled the plug on the auction. Sadly, it appears that eBay's sense of humour is currently as elusive as an Iraqi weapon of mass destruction. For shame. ®
Yup, it took eBay two minutes to kill this auction. Well, we anticipated this. For your viewing pleasure, we are pleased to reproduce the picture which complimented the sale. Please note that we have added "porn bars" and Body Shop sea urchin and guava face mask to protect the innocent:
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brought to you by the UK's "The Register": http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/05/15/for_sale_one_annoying_tw/
does anyone remember one of his shows from the late 1970's when john denver was on the show?
i never saw the show but heard about it in the jw circle (urban legend??).
it was known that john denver hated jw's and during their bantering, carson asked denver about his asking jw's to leave during his concerts.
'Why don't Jehovah's Witnesses get killed during an earthquake?" 'They're always in your doorway." -Johnny Carson
I don't know if Johnny was pro or con on JWs. I'm sure there were people he knew and liked who were Jehovah's Witnesses. (The wife of a fellow comedian, a maid, a relative, a gardener?) Over the years, there were a few mentions of them on his show by Johnny himself or other comedians. I vaguely remember him saying how JWs could find anyone anywhere. Something about him being in the most remote location and having Jehovah's Witnesses knock on his door.
I grew up a very sheltered JW. One television show my parents never missed was "The Tonight Show." Because of Johnny, I was allowed a brief glimpse of reality every night.
He added a little color to my dull grey world.
hope this link works this is too funny!.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&category=378&item=4509100685&tc=photo.
sherry
Hi Sherry, I did a search...and found the auction. But, when I embedded the page, that's what it gave me.
hope this link works this is too funny!.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&category=378&item=4509100685&tc=photo.
sherry
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and most importantly, as we all know that this education in the life saving work is second to none, have you placed this grand accomplishment on your resume?
i went in baldwinsville ny around 1988.
Okay, I found the book. Do you think I could get $150 for it if's got my scribbling all in it?
Mine was "scribbled" in. It's been a few years but, I think I did a "buy it now" for $50.
The Pioneer Book really has nothing in it. All the "juicy" JW stuff is in the scribbles.
the only wt publication i brutally destroyed was a brand new copy of the revalation book.
i was so frustrated with the religion that i ripped the goddam thing into a hundred pieces.
it was a great way to take my anger out on it.. years later when i was dating this one girl, she had a copy of that same stupid book.
I sold all my books. No JW in their right mind would buy Watchtower Publications. Oh wait, JW's aren't in their right mind. I figured some nice Apostate person needed them for research. I was glad I could help. Plus, it gave me a little pocket change. I thought of it as repayment for all the money I shelled out to the Watchtower Society on gas, clothes, food and time. I'm still trying to figure out how to be reimbursed for my wasted life.
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and most importantly, as we all know that this education in the life saving work is second to none, have you placed this grand accomplishment on your resume?
i went in baldwinsville ny around 1988.
1991 "pioneer school" graduate. sold my useless book.
Hello everyone,
I couldn't help but "limbo" in (parden the pun) on this discussion.
Trust is a whopper of a topic. I'm sure everyone here could write volumes on the subject.
As Jehovah's Witnesses, we were taught warned NOT to trust the world. We were told that the world hates us and if given the opportunity they would hurt us even kill us. We also were told to trust our fellow witnesses. (for if we could not trust our brothers then who could we trust?)
Remember the announcements before our conventions?
"Brothers and Sisters we want to remind you to keep an eye on your personal belongings. Do not keep your handbags or expensive items such as video recorders or cameras on your seats. Not because of our Brothers and Sisters, but because of "outsiders" who may be mingling amongst us"
We also were taught admonished not to get too close to our "worldy relatives." They too did not have our best interests at heart.
The funny thing is we listened. We totally trusted that what the brother said from the platform came straight from the pages of the Watchtower (notice I didn't use Bible here), which came straight from the Faithful and Discreet Slave, which came straight from Heaven...from God Himself. If we mistrusted our brother, we were essentially mistrusting God.
If we couldn't trust God then who could we trust?
I venture to say that everyone reading this at some point in their life stopped trusting their spiritual brother. Which meant (even temporarily) they doubted God. We were already trained NOT to trust anyone outside of the Organization. So here we all are. Most of whom have lost trust IN the Organization.
Not much left is there? Our spouse, Our dog/cat?
This topic means a lot to me. I went from trusting everyone (I even trusted in the human nature of "worldly people")...to trusting NOone.
There has to be some sort of middle ground. It can't be all or nothing.
Here's a point of view I found that deserves some discussion:
