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  If you do something contrary to what the bible teaches, how do you react?

  by JH in

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  so many verses in the bible are so clear.

  example: don't steal, don't fornicate, don't have sex with a person of the same sex....etc.

  some verses couldn't be clearer.

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  If a law has to be written, you can be guaranteed that somebodies doing it;) The bible was just another set of laws to guarantee social control, now we have detailed legislation which covers contemporary issues in context with our time, therefore in my opinion the bible is outdated. To believe the bible you have to believe that it was inspired of God, of which you would have to have a belief in an ominipotent creator, nowadays I see very little basis for both. I don't need an external conscience to govern my behaviour, I simply apply the logic that if I'm not doing myself or anyone else any short-term or long-term physical or emotional harm, throw in a little conformity with the basic laws of the land, if it passes the process, then I'm good to go:)) frog
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  Having a hard time with family

  by Dustin in

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  i have no family ties.

  family ties can be broken.

  family ties can be broken.

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  Hey Dustin, thanks for sharing your meaningful lyrics with us. It's really good for you to be able to express your hurt in this way, no point in holding it in, it would just destroy you. You're allowed to feel the way you do, and you don't have to make apologies to anyone for it. It seems like madness sometimes doesn't it?...when you've got a healthy happy family who could be solid as a rock if they stuck together, but instead they're torn apart by something so consuming, ugly and evil. These moments will come and go for you, but time dulls the pain if you allow yourself to move on and be realistic with the situation. There will be times when you understand where your parents are coming from, and there will be times when you don't understand them at all. I'm sure they're not bad people, and we can only hope that our parents will some day come around. I often think of the many thousands of middle-age parents out there who have lost their children for such a hopeless cause. Our generation is far more awake to all this madness, but they're still clinging to something solid in a time when the values they were raised with have become completely liquified.

  You have friends here, who truly understand xx frog
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  Silent Lambs on Aussie TV program

  by Frog in

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  just thought i'd send a link to a transcript of a sunday program on channel 9 that aired on australia yesterday morning.

  it was a great tribute to the plight of numerous silent lambs who have fallen victim to the failed policies of the wtbts.

  it was a good investigative journalism piece, and also touched on the high level of indoctrination that followers are subject to.. anyway here is the link to the intro... http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/article_1789.asp.

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  whoops! seems I'm a bit slow. It did occur to me that perhaps others had gotten in before me, but didn't have time to check...oh well at least this way it's been well and truly covered! frog
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  Silent Lambs on Aussie TV program

  by Frog in

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  just thought i'd send a link to a transcript of a sunday program on channel 9 that aired on australia yesterday morning.

  it was a great tribute to the plight of numerous silent lambs who have fallen victim to the failed policies of the wtbts.

  it was a good investigative journalism piece, and also touched on the high level of indoctrination that followers are subject to.. anyway here is the link to the intro... http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/article_1789.asp.

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  Just thought I'd send a link to a transcript of a Sunday program on Channel 9 that aired on Australia yesterday morning. It was a great tribute to the plight of numerous silent lambs who have fallen victim to the failed policies of the WTBTS. It was a good investigative journalism piece, and also touched on the high level of indoctrination that followers are subject to.

  Anyway here is the link to the intro... http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/article_1789.asp

  ...and here is the link to the transcript... http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/transcript_1789.asp

  luv frog xx
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  Hey friends.... I'll be gone for a bit...

  by upside/down in

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  cause i'll be on vacation with my tribe!.

  i'll be going to akumal mexico for a week with my family.

  i'm introducing my kids and wife to something i learned and practiced growing up outside the borg....charity and guilt free enjoyment of a hard earned vacation!!!.

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  That sounds completely brilliant! Ten points for originality, and for inspiring your lovely family with such brilliant ideals of contribution to society.

  Have an awesome time:-) froglett
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  It is finished, or is it just beginning?

  by IP_SEC in

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  well i am no longer one of jehovah's witnesses.

  i had fully intentioned to disassociate myself from the platform today, but i decided that if i wanted a chance to save my marriage that i'd better tell my wife.

  she immediately went to to one of the elders.

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  Hi there, thankyou for sharing your post with us. I really hope that you fully believe all that you have concluded with respect to growth and pain, and real truth. These ideals are things that I too have come to subscribe to after making the very necessary decision to leave the faith. You will be stronger, and even more unique for this experience. The world is an exciting place, and now you have a whole world of opportunities, and new thoughts that are opened up to you. Within the world there is unquestionably good and bad, trials and pain but altogether its such a great to place to be, and having questions you can't answer about life is far better than answer you can't question. I loved your attribution on maturity is reached when you no longer feel the need to be lied to (hope I didn't destroy your brilliant quote!). There is more truth in that saying than there appears on the surface. Truth, and being true and honest with yourself, and intune with what you believe to be truth is essential for a meaningful existence.
  
  Anyway I wish you all the best through this rough ride. You seem a very insightful person dedicated to truth and honesty, so I am certain that you come out of this both opptimistic and with great mental peace.
  
  Congratulations! love from ex-sister frog (hehe) :-)
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  The man who can calculate up to 100 decimal places in his head...

  by Sirona in

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  amazing documentary on tonight on channel 5 (uk).

  daniel was interviewed on a uk show earlier today, and he is amazing!

  he learned to speak a language in just seven days (and was fluent in it).

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  Isn't it strange how we "normal" people label people with autism etc as having a disability?? sounds more like an incredible ability to me. froglett
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  A very scary ex-dub boy

  by Frog in

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  it's a longy....

  at the beginning of this year i moved to tasmania (australia) to go back to university to study.

  tassie is about 3500kms south of the hometown in which i grew up.

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  It's a longy....

  At the beginning of this year I moved to Tasmania (Australia) to go back to University to study. Tassie is about 3500kms south of the hometown in which I grew up. Anyway...a few weeks ago at one of my lectures I bumped into a guy I used to know in the org from my hometown (haven't lived there for 7years). This wasn't just any guy, he's a very odd ball guy (to put it lightly) that gave me some grief when I was 17y/o. I met him on a convention bus trip to Darwin in 1997, he was mates with a good friend of my in the cong at the time. So, after we met and I was exceptionally polite to him, as most good naive jw-girls are, he became a bit obsessed with me (I really don't know why) and wrote to me for a few months after that, and the letters got a bit scary towards the end. So, I was at my dads for a few months from Oct-Jan (just gone) and I found a shoebox with all my old letters in it. I went through it with a friend for a good laugh, completely having forgotten about those letters, not realising I had even kept them. W e went through them reading them in chronological order, and by the time we got to the end of them it all came back to me how bizarre this guy was, and how he had frightened me by his words at the time. And this is all from a guy that I barely knew, and had met just a few times. So, here's this guy sharing the same lecture theatre with me all these years later, all these thousands of kilometres away from where we had met! It takes far more than an obsessive guy to frighten me these days! I chatted to him briefly, and it became evident in the first few minutes that he hadn't changed one scrap. Still a very vague, very oddball guy. His first line to me was "The last thing I heard about you, you were engaged to some brother, and were getting married". I know that sounds innocent enough, but he said it in the most accusing and intimidating manner . He told me he was studying Japanese language amongst other things, and has a finance' who has just returned to Japan. He told me that he was planning to move there, as he won't have to pay any rent, and will be able to live off her family. This is a guy who hasn't worked a day in his life, despite so many in the cong who tried to give him jobs, of which he rejected saying he was too busy. He has since left the org also. M y heart automatically went out to this poor young Japanese girl, and it did of course cross my mind as to whether this girld had the same plans of marriage that he had. I thought perhaps she had returned to Japan to escape him, and the plans were all just in his mind...sorry this story is getting long winded. Anyway, I was talking with one of my Korean housemates last night (I live with a few international students from uni), we were talking about the sweet girl downstairs who seems to be getting taken for a ride by her looser boyfriend, who does nothing to contribute to the household expenses, doesn't work, and she supports him while she's studying full-time. The conversation digressed on with Hye'Jin talking about this good Japanese girlfriend of hers who has moved back to Japan who was seeing an Australian guy when she was here, they were all living together. She told me this guy would get drunk and take it out on this poor sweet girl, who seemed to be blindly in love with him no matter what he did. Hye'Jin is one of the kindest people I know, and I have never heard a bad word out of her mouth against anybody, she did however begin to go on about how much she hated this man, and how lazy he was, and how stupid he was. I was pretty shocked to hear this from her. A couple of weeks before this conversation I had told her about this guy Brad that I had known all those years ago, who I had run into on that day in the lecture theatre. I told her the story about his Japanese finance' who had returned to Japan, she asked his name and I told her it was Brad, it must have crossed her mind that it could have been the same guy that was engaged to her poor abused friend, but for some reason she didn't think it was the same guy. So, last night I asked her the name of the guy she was describing, and she said it was Brad. To which I must have become completely pale, and Hye'Jin knew automatically what she must have been thinking those few weeks before, that we both knew this same guy and he was now wreaking havoc on her friend.

  I talked to dad shortly after I ran into this guy again a few weeks ago, and dad in his usual dadish way told me to stay away from him, that he was no good. He didn't elaborate and I didn't ask. Dad knows of his recent behaviours better than I, as they were in the same congregation for a number of years after I left.

  I asked Hye'Jin to contact her friend to check if this girl had the same plans in mind with respects to this guy, and if she showed and signs of doubt that she share with her what I have told her.

  It's difficult to describe this guys character, but he's not the sort of person you want to mess with. He's incredibly possessive and abusive, he's most definitely got a few screws loose. I'm trying to empathise with this guy, because I know that he doesn't come from the most desirable of backgrounds, but my heart really goes out to this poor young Japanese girl. Pardon me for making such a generalisation, but most young Japanese girls I have met seem quite subservient by nature, so it does not surprise me that he is able to manipulate this young thing. I realise there's very little I can do, if anything, but I feel sick to the stomach about all this, and feel a sense of responsibility towards the situation.

  It's people like Brad, that make me regrettably feel that there are some people in this world who can't be helped, and we might be better off without.

  Froglett xx
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  Please pray for my little sister...

  by TresHappy in

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  she's in the hospital suffering seizures.

  i don't know much more than that.

  i'll go see her at the hospital tomorrow.

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  I don't pray anymore, but I'm sure your sisters knowledge of her families and friends support will go a long way to act as a healing aid for her...keep us updated on her progress. Luv from frog
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  So I'm at the meeting tonight.............

  by JV in

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  i'm looking through the new awake magazine (great article on shoplifiting by the way) and this older sister comes and sits beside me.

  she started talking to me about this great little piece in the magazine about fish or something that should be on my dinner plate, something that i don't really care about, then she turns to me and said and i quote " where else but jehovah's organization can we learn such things?

  i sat there with a dumbfounded look on my face thinking " are you kidding me?

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  Hey JV, that is p*ss funny...you realise though that the key mistake you made was going to the meeting in the first place! I guess all these things are good affirmation for you...funny thing is that it's not like the attitude of the people who diligently attend at the hall has changed, it's your attitude which has shifted and the reason why their presence is so unbearably painful! The ignorance is astonishing aint it??! frog