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  How would a JW handle this? 587 proved correct date for fall of Jerusalem

  by confusedjw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i put it out to you who believe the wtbts is the agent used by god's channel on earth based on the belief that in 1919 (3 1/2 years after the gentile times ended in 1914, per pastor russell) they were appointed the fds.. what if it was proved that not 607, but 587 was the date jerusalem was destroyed?

  would that affect your faith?

  would it matter that the teaching of 1919 turned out to be false?

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  That would buy them more time, wouldn't it?

  If moving the end of the gentile times back to 1824 would buy them time, then yes :P
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  Does anyone know ANY Watchtower bible prediction that has come to pass?

  by Elsewhere in

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  That the Leage of extraordinary Nations would rise again? Opps that one was common knowledge by the time ruthy gave that talk.

  Oh I got one, 1914 Christ would begin ruling as king of the kingdom... Well not THE kingdom because THE kingdom lasts for a thousand years past the big A... What's that you say? 1874? What you mean the 1914 kingdom wasnt a prediction? After the fact? What are you talking about? You must be an apostate.

  Sorry I have MPD

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  Anyone wanna pick apart the special talk?

  by IP_SEC in

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  why did jesus suffer and die?.

  did anyone want to pick apart the special talk?.

  geez this thing is more of a manuscript than outline.

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  LOL its Genuine, retyped on accounta I dont have a scanner.
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  Yankee or Dixie? (fluff)

  by hemp lover in

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  i love these stupid online quiz thingies.

  (i'm 74% dixie, in case you're wondering.).

  http://mywebpages.comcast.net/lgrob/southern_dialect_quiz.htm

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  66% (Dixie). A definitive Southern score!

  I think the Texas colloquialisms are what saved me. LOL BeverageBarn
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  Anyone wanna pick apart the special talk?

  by IP_SEC in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  why did jesus suffer and die?.

  did anyone want to pick apart the special talk?.

  geez this thing is more of a manuscript than outline.

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  Why did Jesus suffer and Die?
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  Did anyone want to pick apart the special talk?

  Geez this thing is more of a manuscript than outline

  Note to the speaker:
  By skillful use of the Scriptures, help audience to appreciate what was accomplished by Jesus coming to earth, suffering and dying on the stake. Explain the ransom as a loving provision of God and Christ. Especially point out to new ones how they can benefit from it.

  Your Future Depends on Accurate Knowledge About Jesus (5 min.)Most religious artwork depicts Jesus as frail, halo-encircled, effeminate, and melancholy (g98 12/8 5-6)
  A close examination of the Scriptures reveals that Jesus was vigorous, manly, joyful and certainly not sanctimonious (Mr 6:3; Lu 2:52; Joh 2:14-16; Ac 2:26-28
  Just as most religious artwork is misleading, so are most religious teachings about who Jeus was and why he suffered and died.

  In our quest for accurate knowledge about Jesus, we must turn to a reliable source, the Word of God (Lu 1:1-3; 1Th 2:13; 2Pe 1:16)
  Bible-based knowledge about Jesus is vital because ti alone can lead us to a happy future and everlasting life (Joh 17:3)
  God?s Word provides answers to important questions, such as: Who was Jesus? Why was he persecuted? Who was responsible for his suffering and his death? What vital role does his death play in our relationship with God and our hope for life?

  Who Jesus Really Was (5 mins)
  Jesus knew who he was and where he came from
  He spoke a number of times of his prehuman existence (Joh 3:13; 6:38, 62; 8:23, 42, 58; 17:5

  Before angelic or human life existed, God directly created Jesus in spirit form (Rev 3:14)
  He was thus God?s Son, the firstborn of all creation (Col 1:15-17)
  Through him God created all other things, including the earth and the first humans, Adam and Eve

  At the appointed time, Jehovah transferred the life of his heavenly Son to the womb of Mary, a Jewish virgin (Lu 1:30, 31, 34, 35; Ga 4:4
  Jesus was born a perfect, sinless human (it-2 56)
  At about 30 years of age, he was anointed with holy spirit, and he was begotten as God?s spiritual Son on earth as well as the promised Messiah (Mt 3:16, 17; Lu 3:23; Joh 4:25, 26)

  Why Jesus Suffered (15 min)

  
  Jesus knew that his godly course in life would lead to his being persecuted and finally killed (Mt 16:21)
  It was foretold that he would be a victim of hostility described symbolically at Genesis 3:15

  The reason why Jesus suffered involved his upholding of Jehovah?s sovereignty despite all the efforts of Satan to break His integrity (cl 144)
  Jesus settled with dramatic finality the issue of the integrity of God?s servants (Heb 7:26; w91 2/15 14-15)
  Despite being the object of vicious opposition, Jesus fulfilled his commission with dignity, humility, and self-control because of his great love for God (1Pe 2:22, 23)
  In this Way he proved Satan to be a base liar and conquered the world under the Devil?s control (Joh 16:33)

  Jesus? sufferings also served to perfect him for his role as Height Priest for mankind (Heb 2:10, 18; 4:15)
  He was hated because he spoke the truth about God and was no part of the world (Joh 7:7; 8:40; 15:18, 19; 17:16)
  Jesus learned obedience by the things that he suffered (Heb 5:8)
  At his death he was able to cry out triumphantly: ?It has been accomplished!? (Joh 1930)

  Jesus Died to Glorify God and to Save Man (15 min.)

  Jesus died, not for doing wrong, but for proclaiming the truth and glorifying Jehovah God (Joh 8:46, 47; 17:4)
  His foremost desire was to sanctify God?s name (Mt 6:9 Joh 12:27, 28)
  By remaining faithful to God, Jesus gave the finest evidence in favor of the rightfulness of Jehovah?s universal sovereignty (Job 1:6-12; 2:2-6; Rev 3:14)

  During his short ministry, Jesus demonstrated his love for people by teaching them about God?s Kingdom and by healing those who were suffering (Mat 4:23)
  His greatest act of love for people was his willingly giving his life as a ransom for mankind (READ 1 Timothy 2:5, 6) (Joh 15:13; w95 6/15 14-15)
  This was ?a corresponding ransom,? which means that his perfect life corresponded exactly to the perfect life that Adam forfeited for himself and for his offspring when he sinned (Ro 5:12, 18, 19; w992/15 13-18; cl 141-3)
  If Jesus had been God or part man and part God, he would not have been a corresponding ransom
  Jesus tasted death for every man (Heb 2:9, 17)
  The ransom was provided for the world of mankind (1jo 2:2)
  To benefit from it individually, we must exercise faith in this marvelous and loving arrangement! (READ John 3:16, 18, 36)
  By accepting the ransom and by obeying Jesus? teachings, we come out from under the wrath of God and into his favor.

  Trust God?s Word and follow Jesus to life (5 mins)

  The Holy Scriptures paint an accurate pictue of Jesus and reveal that ?he was full of undeserved kindness and truth? (Joh 1:14)
  They verify that Jesus was resurrected from the dead and that he has become the ?Chief Agent of life? (Ac 3:15; 1 Cor 15:3-8)
  He is the ?one mediator between God and men? (1 Ti 2:5)
  Jesus has not changed but remains full of mercy and undeserved kindness (Heb 4:14-16)
  He invites people of all national origins and ethnic groups to follow him and benefit from his teachings (Mt 11:28-30; 28:19, 20)

  A study of the bible reveals the key identifying mark of Jesus? true followers today (READ John 13:34, 35; 17:25, 26)
  Regardless of attitudes that prevail in the world, Jehovah?s Witnesses imitate Jesus and manifest love for one another (g98 10/22 6)
  To embrace the hope of life eternal, we must study the bible and learn more about Jesus role in Gods purpose (READ John 20:31)

  NOTE: Adhere closely to the outlined material, and observe the indicated timeing of each section. Not all cited texts need to be read or commented on)

  No. 161-E
  © 2004 Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania
  To be covered in 45 minutes
  All rights reserved
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  What was actually printed about 1925?

  by confusedjw in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've seen folks reference 1925 concerning "end of the world" claims from the wt similar to 1975.. i've read quotes from the wt about "the 1925 date is even more fixed in the bible than 1914".

  but what did they really say was going to happen?

  something about moses was said i think.. can anyone with references post them?

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  and the sleepers stay asleep
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  How is your congregation doing financially?

  by truthseeker in

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  2. friends

  if you still go to the meetings - look at the notice board where they have the accounts report.. is there a deficit?.

  our cong wanted to build a new hall (they share), but they cannot raise the funds to do this.

  did your cong pay bills on time, i.e.

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  Practically any time we have much surplus a resolution is made to send half to the KH fund and half to the WWW.

  Plus we have standing resolutions to donate a specific amount to the KHfund and WWW, regardless of what goes into the boxes.

  We bees pretty poor cus o that.
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  Hypocrite Elder Gets Df'd

  by Dragonlady76 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there was a very well respected elder in my cong that i will call mr. r. this elder was a very zealous and pious jw and the po.

  mr. r was of cuban descent and had extremely conservative veiws.

  mr. r being the upstanding jw and elder had a very attractive wife and two cute kids.

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  bigger they are the harder they fall Dragonlady.

  Generally the louder they talk about the evils of sex they more perverse they are. It wouldnt suprise me if lookin at a little porn was the least worst thing he's done. Kinda hard to feel sorry for a guy like that eh? *remembers watching Sabado Gigante* MMMM nice legs.

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  JW Underground

  by Hondo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i recently read an article about jw's that, if had the choice, would probably leave because of the deceptions, lies, etc., but don't because of family, friends, prestige, whatever, and instead lead a make-believe life going through the motions of being a loyal and believing follower of the watchtower organization.

  most of those purported to be part of this non-believing/participating, but attending, jw population, are folks that have been associated with the jw's for a number of years, but, as many have, decided that the lies and constant changes (new light) just don't make sense anymore.

  i would suspect that identifying those who just "go through the motions" of being a good jw would be difficult.

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  I'd suspect there are many self-appointed O'Briens (refer 1984) going around trying to add notches to their belts.

  O'Briens?

  Sorry I'm kinda dense.
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  Things I love about Texas

  by IP_SEC in

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  being that it's such an auspicious day for the great state.. things i love about texas.. 1. shiner bock.

  2. san antonio.

  3. corpus christi.

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  You Austinians,

  There is a building/skyscraper you can see from 35 that that looks f@*!# awsome. I was mesmerized by it, driving through to convention last summer.

  What is that building? You know which one? It is so unique looking.

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