Posts by AshtonCA

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Bible Prophecy of 9/11

by AshtonCA in

was wondering if anyone else knew 9/11 was going to happen before it did?

my mother, when leaving the org.

back in the early 90's began researching the bible (not the nwt because it was too flawed), she used the kjv and the niv, she also used strongs and a bible that had both greek and hebrew in it right along side the english.

AshtonCA

Just think about it: why would God deliberatly plan on letting such events happen? Why would he be so cruel as to play this prophecy game? If you think this was all foretold, then you believe in predestination. This is what follows immediately from assuming these events were anticipated in some bible passages.

Why yes, I do believe in predestination. It's in the bible.

Romans 8:28-30: Ephesians 1:4-5, 11-12: Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:7-8, 2 Thess. 2:13-14, and 2 Tim. 1:9. Matthew 24:31, Mark 13:22, Luke 18:7, Romans 8:33, 11:7, Colossians 3:12, 2 Timothy 2:10, Titus 1:1, I Peter 1:2, 1 Peter 5:13; 2 John 1:1, 13.

These are all scriptures that talk about predestination.

Ash

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Bible Prophecy of 9/11

by AshtonCA in

was wondering if anyone else knew 9/11 was going to happen before it did?

my mother, when leaving the org.

back in the early 90's began researching the bible (not the nwt because it was too flawed), she used the kjv and the niv, she also used strongs and a bible that had both greek and hebrew in it right along side the english.

AshtonCA

Apart from the line you highlighted ("when the towers fall") what part of either of those passages has any relevance to 9/11? Was your mother the only person to whom this prophecy was revealed?

Nope, we have others that we know of who got some of this info as well. When I say got the info, I mean just that, from God. Like I said, believe what you will, but I am not going to ever say someone didn't hear it from God or call them crazy. God doesn't take kindly to people steppin' on the holy spirit of another person.

Ash

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Bible Prophecy of 9/11

by AshtonCA in

was wondering if anyone else knew 9/11 was going to happen before it did?

my mother, when leaving the org.

back in the early 90's began researching the bible (not the nwt because it was too flawed), she used the kjv and the niv, she also used strongs and a bible that had both greek and hebrew in it right along side the english.

AshtonCA

oops sorry about the messedupness of this post lol, I fiddled with it for an hour and it still didn't come out right. As you can see, I missed the quote box altogether, or that's how it saved anyway, yeah that's it... It was technology's fault, not mine! ;)

Ash

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Bible Prophecy of 9/11

by AshtonCA in

was wondering if anyone else knew 9/11 was going to happen before it did?

my mother, when leaving the org.

back in the early 90's began researching the bible (not the nwt because it was too flawed), she used the kjv and the niv, she also used strongs and a bible that had both greek and hebrew in it right along side the english.

AshtonCA

Hi all,

Was wondering if anyone else knew 9/11 was going to happen before it did? My mother, when leaving the org. back in the early 90's began researching the bible (not the NWT because it was too flawed), she used the KJV and the NIV, she also used strongs and a bible that had both greek and hebrew in it right along side the english. She spent 16 hours a day for 2 years pouring over every scripture. Sometimes I would get 10 or 20 calls a day from her with the info that she'd found.

We as a family would sit down and discuss all of the differences between the WTS's views and what she had found and we were so amazed by what she had found. I was so amazed at her stick-to-itness that kept her going, even when sometimes her health almost failed her from fatigue. Can you imagine going over the bible with a fine toothed comb and relearning 45 years worth of bad info in 2 years?

Anyway, my point is. One of the first things she found and we pondered these scriptures for years. We knew something about towers was going to happen, but we thought that it was the obvious choice, the "watchtower" that was going to fall, but it just never did. Yes, it got weaker and weaker, but as you can see, it is still there. So, we naturally assumed it has got to be something else. Then one day, my mom called and said, I have a feeling it has something to do with the twin towers in NYC, but we didn't know what it meant.

Then on September 11, 2001, my mother was woken by a voice out of a deep sleep (believe what you will here, I don't know if many of you believe that "the anointed" as they were called back in the WT are able to converse with God, but my mom has for years, and I have defended her every step of the way. I will never EVER tell anyone or believe that any person who felt they were "called" wasn't anointed and didn't have a direct line to God. You'd have to live with someone who was to really have a firm belief as I do about this).

Anyway, I digress... My mother was woken up by a voice that told her "The towers are falling, get up!" My mother was in her room alone (she and my dad live together, but they don't share a room, long story). She bolted out of bed and turned on the news and saw that the first plane had already hit the first tower. She called me, I was asleep as well. I saw the 2nd tower get hit. I was all alone and I began to panic, as I usually do when stuff like this happens. for 2 weeks, I never turned the TV off, I watched in horror as thousands of lives were lost that day. We knew it was going to happen, but when it did, it just was so horrible. No one can ever prepare themselves for something so dreadful.

Okay, now, Here are the scriptures that were a forewarning of that horrible event. These are the scriptures we thought were telling us of the WTS's demise, but it wasn't. On a side note to all of this. I believe it's a sign that we are trying to heal from all of this terribleness, why do I say this? I have a 5 month old who was born on September 11, 2004. On this day when so many were mourning their losses, I was in the hospital giving birth to new life. At 10:08 am my sweet little boy Ethan was born at 4 lbs 10 oz and 16 1/2 inches long. He was healthy but small and he is doing just fine. Take what you will, but I think everything is done for a reason... okay, on to the scriptures.:

Isa 30:25 And there shall be upon every lofty mountain, and upon every high hill, brooks and streams of waters, in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.

Isa 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that Jehovah bindeth up the hurt of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

Isa 30:27 Behold, the name of Jehovah cometh from far, burning with his anger, and in thick rising smoke: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue is as a devouring fire;

Isa 30:28 and his breath is as an overflowing stream, that reacheth even unto the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of destruction: and a bridle that causeth to err shall be in the jaws of the peoples.

Isa 30:29 Ye shall have a song as in the night when a holy feast is kept; and gladness of heart, as when one goeth with a pipe to come unto the mountain of Jehovah, to the Rock of Israel.

Isa 30:30 And Jehovah will cause his glorious voice to be heard, and will show the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and the flame of a devouring fire, with a blast, and tempest, and hailstones.

Isa 30:31 For through the voice of Jehovah shall the Assyrian be dismayed; with his rod will he smite him.

Isa 30:32 And every stroke of the appointed staff, which Jehovah shall lay upon him, shall be with the sound of tabrets and harps; and in battles with the brandishing of his arm will he fight with them.

Isa 30:33 For a Topeth is prepare prepared of old: yea, for the king it is made ready; he hath made it deep and large; the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of Jehovah, like a stream of brimstone doth kindle it. What has been happening after this is what has been happening in Iraq. You can find this info in the bible too, You want to look for "the king of the north (we believe it's Bush) and "the King of the south (we believe it's Saddam Hussein). Here is part of it in Daniel. Let me know if you get a tingling sensation when you read it too! ;)

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Dan 11:11 And the king of the south shall be moved with anger, and shall come forth and fight with him, even with the king of the north; and he shall set forth a great multitude, and the multitude shall be given into his hand
Dan 11:12 And the multitude shall be lifted up, and his heart shall be exalted; and he shall cast down tens of thousands, but he shall not prevail.
Dan 11:13 And the king of the north shall return, and shall set forth a multitude greater than the former; and he shall come on at the end of the times, even of years, with a great army and with much substance.
Dan 11:14 And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the children of the violent among thy people shall lift themselves up to establish the vision; but they shall fall.
Dan 11:15 So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mound, and take a well-fortified city: and the forces of the south shall not stand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to stand.
Dan 11:16 But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him; and he shall stand in the glorious land, and in his hand shall be destruction.
Dan 11:17 And he shall set his face to come with the strength of his whole kingdom, and with him equitable conditions; and he shall perform them: and he shall give him the daughter of women, to corrupt her; but she shall not stand, neither be for him.
Dan 11:18 After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many: but a prince shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; yea, moreover, he shall cause his reproach to turn upon him.
Dan 11:19 Then he shall turn his face toward the fortresses of his own land; but he shall stumble and fall, and shall not be found.
Dan 11:20 Then shall stand up in his place one that shall cause an exactor to pass through the glory of the kingdom; but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.
Dan 11:21 And in his place shall stand up a contemptible person, to whom they had not given the honor of the kingdom: but he shall come in time of security, and shall obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
Dan 11:22 And the overwhelming forces shall be overwhelmed from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
Dan 11:23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully; for he shall come up, and shall become strong, with a small people.
Dan 11:24 In time of security shall he come even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them prey, and spoil, and substance: yea, he shall devise his devices against the strongholds, even for a time.
Dan 11:25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall war in battle with an exceeding great and mighty army; but he shall not stand; for they shall devise devices against him.
Dan 11:26 Yea, they that eat of his dainties shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow; and many shall fall down slain.
Dan 11:27 And as for both these kings, their hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table: but it shall not prosper; for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.
Dan 11:28 Then shall he return into his land with great substance; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do his pleasure, and return to his own land.
Dan 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come into the south; but it shall not be in the latter time as it was in the former.
There is more, but yall can look it up okay? hehe.

Ash

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Let's do something big for this year's memorial !

by Simon in

enough of the wts intimidation and getting away with all sorts of crap.

we, "the people", have more power than they, "the establishment", do.. this year i propose that we make ourselves heard and noticed.

that as many people as possible protest at their beloved memorial - the one event that is "most sacred" to them.. i am not suggesting that we disrupt or do anything illegal but simply that we exercise our right to take up their offer of free wine and make a statement.. go, drink.

AshtonCA

Anyway the bread is stale!! & it is only grape juice

I have been to a lot of KH's and every one I have been to always used real (cheap) wine.

My mom partook and she would drink about half of the contents of one of the glasses. It was always kinda neat to see the reactions of people around her when she did. or watch the people gasp as a nearly empty glass was put back at the front of the hall on the table.

Ash

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I don't think God is fair./what do u think?

by wednesday in

my therapist and i talked about the bible, specifically, adam and eve and their sinning by eating from the forbidden fruit.

he says it is really a great lesson on consequences of your actions.

i agreed and we talked at some length about it, but one thing i decided, god was not fair.

AshtonCA

In raising my kids i believe in avoidance. If i tell them not to touch something and leave it where they can get it you best believe the little darlings will touch it and move it and possiblely break it. So in raising kids wouldn't it be better just to place the item you don't want them to touch away somewhere where they cant get it? It makes life so much easier, less stress on me and less yelling at the kids. So in my mind no the god (father) of the Adam and Eve wasnt being a good parent and why didnt he know or think that maybe his children would be tempted to touch what was forbidden since he's supposed to know all?

Personally, I don't agree with putting things away so they can't get it. We taught out kids not get into stuff, that they had ther own toys. One thing I have not done with my kids is "babyproof" my house. My children are taught what they can and can't have. Don't touch is a phrase we used often with our first and it worked very well. I mean, dangerous stuff, of course, but not nick nacks or whatever... My mom used to point at the stove and say burn you burn you burn you to my baby brother when he was about a year old and those were actually his first words lol.

Our son never got into stuff because we always had his toys for him. We also taught him the look but don't touch method and he would go look at something and say pretty, then don't touch! lol I think it's good for kids to know there are certain things in life that are not theirs, I also think it teaches them to respect other's property. It also makes it easier when you go to someone's house, they don't get into stuff and break something that isn't their or ours hah.

Ash

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What would have to change for you to come back?

by _Atlas in

to those who have conscientiously walked away:.

what changes will at least make you consider coming back in?.

of course some will say nothing they do will lure them back?

AshtonCA

The biggest thing for me, which I didn't see too many people say, is more emphasis on Jesus being divine (Having the nature of or being a deity, a god), actually Jesus in general. I have always felt that it wasn't a religion about Jesus, that he was somehow less important. I may not believe in the concept of trinity (one body, 3 personalities), but I do now believe that Jesus was and is just as powerful and all incompassing as Jah is, and I now believe that the Spirit is actually just that, a spirit! What a revelation for me.

Ash

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what we used to call "privileges"

by in a new york bethel minute in

of all the privileges only brothers may have, doing mics seemed to be one of the most tedious.

it was definitely something you could graduate from... but why?

when i was the sound guy, it was always so hard to get brothers to do the mics.

AshtonCA

Yet in the wonderfully "simplistic" world of the Jehovahs Witness; women are still treated like 2nd class citizens. They cannot conduct a meeting or give a public talk. They are discouraged to achieve higher education more than the young men. If a baptized brother is present they cannot conduct a book study or meeting for field service. They must be "subservient" to the male. Chattel? Draconian thinking? Domination or control of your lifes partner? Why?
What possible purpose does this serve?

This is all due to the postle Paul. He did not like women to have any part of worship, he wanted them to be subserviant "seen and not heard". He is also the one who said that women were to cover their heads while praying in the presence of a man.

My mother still covers her head (I crocheted her a prayer shawl to use). She always did this when we were in the org and this is something she still does because she says that even though a lot of people do not like what paul had to say, she still will follow them because he is in the bible.

This has always bugged me, I used to want to do the mics so bad, I wanted to help out but wasn't allowed to. Really stunk.

Ash

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Matt 6:28

by peacefulpete in

an interesting example of textual refinement is that at matt 6:28. all translations i know of say something like: lilies how they grow..."neither do they toil nor do they spin.

interestingly in the codex sinaiticus under ultraviolet light we see that the editor has erased "card" and replaced it with "grow" and has toil and spin in reverse order.

the greek is similar, ouj xain-, aujxan-.

AshtonCA

according to Strongs, "toil" means to work hard, bestow labour, be wearied.

HTH

Ash

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My irrational fears when I was a JW

by Jez in

my mind is healing.

i know this because i am remembering things that i use to fear.

here are some examples of irrational fears that i had:.

AshtonCA

How about as a child I knew if I cut myself badly that I better not loose to much blood as I wasnt going to get a blood transfusion and was going to die. Nosebleeds scared me big time.

Yes, the blood issue was probably the biggest single impact in my life, but I didn't have to deal with it until I was 18 when I was rushed to the bloodless Clinic in L.A. for a softball sized cyst on my right ovary. I lost a lot of blood the whole week prior to the surgery. That clinic was a lifesaver for sure, and the place was filled with other JW's in need of lifesaving surgery.

The only thing I can say about not being able to take blood was that I didn't have to deal with tainted blood, and my surgery was right when AIDS first surfaced. I would take it now, I think, however. The screening process is much better now, and I would imagine that cases of AIDS from transfusions has got to be mostly nil.

Ash