I thought a FEW of you had some interesting points . I especially liked mnb77's explination and scriptures. Thank you. If I were George Bush, and the Watchtower was Iraq, I think mnb77's Isaiah:9:6 would have been my "smoking gun". :)
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Three of the most important question you will ever ask yourself:
by Chance inat some point everyone asks these questions?
what is the meaning of life?
why has god let terrible things happen?
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As you can see from how many times I edited the first post, I've tried and tried to edit it but it continues to put those darn spaces in there. Sorry, I can't fix it. PICKELS!
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Three of the most important question you will ever ask yourself:
by Chance inat some point everyone asks these questions?
what is the meaning of life?
why has god let terrible things happen?
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Well, on my last post you can see their are NO spaces. I'm not sure why this forum put such wide spaces between my sentences/paragraphs. It was not that way when I typed it. I'll see if I can edit it or something. Sorry. I didn't care much for those spaces either.
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Three of the most important question you will ever ask yourself:
by Chance inat some point everyone asks these questions?
what is the meaning of life?
why has god let terrible things happen?
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Sorry, its been a while since I've stopped to read the forums. Well, BrainlessVenus thats exaclty right. You have only two choices. Love God or don't. Even the "BIG BANG" ultamately points to a supernatural beginning of existance and creation/evolution. So, since its obvious (to some of us) that God did create you, why did he creat you? For nothing? I think not. Out of all the things God could have spent his time making what did he make? He made you. So he must have love for you too.
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Questions for those who know...
by newholland inwent to jw "memorial talk" for a friend.
i'm not gonna give too many details, because i don't want to lose connection i have with our friends.
i have done a little research on jws, and now i am confused.
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Hello newholland, (And hello everyone else, sorry I've been gone. I was really interested in some of the discussions we were having on these forums but I had a death in the family and havent really had the time to sit down and catch-up with things here.) I just thought I would mention one site that has really helped me understand doctrinal issues with the JW(and my family). www.witforjesus.org Perticularly I enjoyed the "Audio library" section under JW.
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Three of the most important question you will ever ask yourself:
by Chance inat some point everyone asks these questions?
what is the meaning of life?
why has god let terrible things happen?
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prophecor
Quot: ?Where did you find such a totally cool Avitar??
Wh? Me? I made it. Or are you speaking to someone else?
NewYork44M,
Quote: ?Since separating myself from the borg?
That was the funniest thing I?ve heard all week on these forums. Borg! AH HAHAHAH
Never thought about it that way.
funkyderek
Quote: ?Surely, like the initial paradise, this would become boring very quickly and a new element of conflict would need to be introduced?
I don?t think it would ever become boring at that point. It?s the whole alone thing that can get pretty boring. (Seems like I saw an episode of Twilight zone before about being utterly alone and it was like a nightmare). Being alone with only your stuff and no friends or loved ones to share the paradise with, no intelligent, freewill free thinking beings? that would be lonely.
funkyderek & AlmostAtheist
Quote: ?If not, then why not begin with the paradise and cut out all the suffering? Or is your god incapable of that???
Explain why God isn?t approachable so to speak.
Well, I have another explanation that coincides with the previous one that would explain that also.
Q4.) Why doesn?t God make himself more obvious to everyone, or put restraints on us to keep us from hurting one another?
At one point after I?ve made my conclusions as stated above, I also asked myself the same questions that Funkyderek & AlmostAtheist have just asked. And I believe I have a little understanding on this matter as well.
Imagine if God had a physical home on our earth. Imagine a wonderful grand building where anyone who wants to approach God and see him with their own eyes could travel there and see him in person. In all his power and glory that shows obviously to everyone that he is the true GOD. And everyone knew about it. What effect would that have on us? I would think that everyone in the world would want to see ?This God? they?ve always heard about for themselves. Kind of a see it to believe it thing. Don?t you agree? If that were the case then God?s plan for our freewill simply wouldn?t work. Why? Because after everyone has seen that God is real with their own eyes it wouldn?t effectively give them a chance to choose to love him with their own freewill. A lot of people would obey everything they?re suppose to do simply out of fear of him. Not out of respect for him but out of respect for his power. God want us to have a fair chance to make our decisions without intimidation.
This also fits in with AlmostAtheist?s scenario about restraining him from hitting his wife and having her pummel him to the ground. How? Because if God made his presence that obvious to us as to stop each one of us physically from hurting one another that would also be a public display of his power and interfere with our freewill. Then people would also be running around shouting to his invisible but yet obvious presence for him to show his self. That might even be enough to drive people mad (crazy).
I don?t question myself on these matters much anymore. I have come to these conclusions and no matter how accurate or inaccurate they may seem to others this is what I whole heartedly believe. I know that God is real. I have no doubt in my mind. Not because I just believe an idea blindly but because I know God. I haven?t seen him walking around. He hasn?t stopped me from using my own freewill but he has answered my prayers, and proven to me he is there time and time again. He lives in my heart and all around me. Once I was blind to him but now I can feel his presence everyday. When I pray to God I no longer pray to him like he?s in a far away place. As if I were writing a letter to someone that won?t get my message right away. Ex: Dear God, where ever you are? please do this for me so I can do that? etc. (I actually started to pray out loud that way once and laughed at myself because it sounded so absurd.) I talk to him or pray to him as if he were there beside me. Because he is there. And he answers me in his own subtle little ways. Can I prove it to anyone? Not really. He has given me no way to prove it. I guess if I had my proof then I might interfere with the ?BIG PICTURE?.
Instead he has given me a good life. No perfect by any means. I still have to endure the same trouble and pain everyone else does but he helps me when I need him.
I think the next question would be:
Q5.)Why does this go on for so long? Living a confusing life with little guidance and lots of pain and suffering all around us?
(Remember, the pain and suffering we witness in our lives is not given to us from God but from each other and evil unloving spirits.)
Time is a funny and confusing thing. It can seem so long but yet go by so fast. I?m only 27 but my life already feels like its flashing before my eyes. I remember asking my father how long an hour was when I was about 5 years old. Small children have such a short attention span. He tried to demonstrate. He told me what time it was and said what time it would be in 1 hour. He said start waiting right now and I?ll tell you when it has been an hour. That was one of the longest hours of my life. It seemed like an eternity. I constantly asked him, ?Has it been an hour yet?. No he replied. How bout now? Nope. Finally! An hour had passed. Wow I said. An hour is a long time.
However, the older I get the faster time seems to fly by. I get busy going about my normal life and loose track of the time, the day, then the week flies by, before I know it, it?s the year 2000. 2001, 2002, and now 2005. Where have the last few years gone? It doesn?t seem like it was that long ago since I was that small boy asking my father how long an hour was. But yet I also see how mush I?ve been thru since then and its amazing.
Time can appear to last forever but it also passes us by so quickly we cannot hold on to the moment. I?ve became somewhat of a history buff the last few years. Before world history seemed so overwhelming that it was almost annoying. But the more I learn about our past, the more it paints a bigger picture for me. I remember seeing documentaries about ancient mummies and Egyptian pyramids that seemed so long ago I couldn?t imagine it. But now I realize that time was not as long ago as I once seemed. I can see how time has just flown by from the beginning to our ancestors, to our parents to us and now my children. Before I know it my children will be grown, and have children of their own. Eventually it will come to an end and seem like it just passed us by. We?ve just entered the space age now. A few more generations and we?ll explore space. Then there will be nothing little left for us to explore. And possible and end to time as we know it.
Then we can all get together and reflect what we?ve done thru all of history.
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Three of the most important question you will ever ask yourself:
by Chance inat some point everyone asks these questions?
what is the meaning of life?
why has god let terrible things happen?
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lol Does that mean you like?
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This may be a tad off topic but I think one or two of you mentioned something about (or implied)that God allows terrible things to happen. I have started a new post with my belief about the following questions which I hope some of you might find interesting.
What is the meaning of life?
Why has God let terrible things happen?
And what happens when we die?
Check out that post and please let me know what you think of it. If you find error in my beliefs PLEASE let me know! Its the most logical explination I can think of.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/84525/1.ashx
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Three of the most important question you will ever ask yourself:
by Chance inat some point everyone asks these questions?
what is the meaning of life?
why has god let terrible things happen?
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Hello, I need a few JW views on a couple of bible verses. Thanks!
by Chance inhello jw forums,.
after careful study i was curious to hear the views & interpretations of a bible verse from a few jws.. .
after reading each of the following verses ask yourself, what does that verse mean?.
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ellderwho
Quote: ?Another words, the atonement would make us savable??
Jesus paid the price for our salvation. Yes.
Allow me to try to rephrase that:
Quote: ?Only by accepting Jesus? gift can our lives be healed.?
I mean that Jesus already paid the price for our sins and our salvation. We only have to accept it. This accepting what Jesus has done for us AND beginning to live our life for God brings healing to our lives. We have the choice to accept him and live our lives with him or deny him and live our lives for ourselves. And of course he would rather us love him back but only by our free will.
I?m sorry. I completely miss understood you.
Quote: ?Why would you think that someone who has left a mind control cult like the JWs, would want someone else to do there thinking for them? What makes you think that a person who just left the Watchtower is, or wants to be a Christian??
It sounded like you had a personal interest in this subject and responded defensively so I thought you were speaking about yourself. My bad.
Go on with your bad?err, good self!
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How do you guys/gals do all the fancy Quotes with the high-lighting? I've been simply typing "QUOTE:"