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  Why Is A "Non-violent" People So Violent To Its Young?

  by steve2 in

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  one of the anomalies of the jehovah's witness worldview is that it "carries" its non-violence hand-in-hand with some fairly violent practices towards its young ones.

  so, the jehovah's witness father or mother who would reject any involvement in the military or "turn the other cheek" if physically attacked in field service, has no qualms about yanking their noisy child out of the kingdom hall and giving that child a good thrashing (i.e., beating on the buttocks, legs, arms and back) and creating an even greater noise.

  i am not a parent, but over the years of observing parents - and others - hitting children both inside and outside the kingdom hall, it slowly occurred to me just what a barbaric practice this was.

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  whats a little beating now and then eh? The chain of command and power must be established early for fear to be a factor during the teenage years.

  Sounds like my parents!

  What's your real name, will power?
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  I hear this crap all the time!

  by Schizm in

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  the person that co-wrote johnny cash's song ring of fire died just yesterday.

  his name is merle kilgore.

  together, he and june carter cash come up with that song.

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  false teaching that the soul is immortal

  Schizm, I just wonder, do you have any proof of that? Did you talk to the deads? Did one come back to inform you?

  As far as I know, no one knows at all what will happen after death. Maybe we will just deliver good food for maggots, maybe immortal parts of us go to heaven, hell, to another existence or.... . Who knows! Do you know more than me? I'd love to know! Share your wisdom, please!

  Love and peace

  DHL
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  Why Is A "Non-violent" People So Violent To Its Young?

  by steve2 in

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  one of the anomalies of the jehovah's witness worldview is that it "carries" its non-violence hand-in-hand with some fairly violent practices towards its young ones.

  so, the jehovah's witness father or mother who would reject any involvement in the military or "turn the other cheek" if physically attacked in field service, has no qualms about yanking their noisy child out of the kingdom hall and giving that child a good thrashing (i.e., beating on the buttocks, legs, arms and back) and creating an even greater noise.

  i am not a parent, but over the years of observing parents - and others - hitting children both inside and outside the kingdom hall, it slowly occurred to me just what a barbaric practice this was.

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  As this is a cult, JW are refused to become responsible grown-ups but made to stay helpless and insecure kiddies who always need to ask for whatever and don't trust themselves. As such they will obey in any case, whether it's about beating the small ones or to even letting them die (blood etc.).

  Remember the story of abraham beeing told to sacrifice his son? Bible says he didn't think twice about it just obeyed! At the same time I remember that well known picture from the vietnam war where a mother was surrounded by armed american GIs and tryed to protect her child with her own body. She was obviously ready to give her own life for her childs sake. Now that's what parents naturally do.

  Natural behaviour and JW: A contradiction in terms.
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  Not Having Kids in 'This System....'

  by lonelysheep in

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  one of my former bs conductors and her husband decided when they got married, they wouldn't have any kids 'in this system'.

  i know the world could be better, but i see no reason not to have children if that's what your wishes really are....and you're able to for that matter.

  she just turned 34 and really wants to have a child.

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  Since it seems that the only "new" JWs are children of the current ones, I wonder if they will openly reverse this recommendation?

  New light, huh?

  But as I remember to have read lately in another threat, about 80% of the kids get lost while in adolescence. So it's questionable if such "new light" wouldn't shrink the org even more!
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  What causes most JW's to lose the ability to reason?

  by XBEHERE in

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  take a look at this wt excerpt from another thread that i copied and pasted:.

  *** g93 3/22 why so many false alarms?

  jehovah?s witnesses, in their eagerness for jesus?

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  By reading the posts I am reminded of an incident many years ago. I informed my JW-father, that my gut instinct told me to get out of this org immediately. You know his answer? He said: "Gut instincs are not reliable, only listen to reason!"

  Seems JW don't even get that right.

  What's left over???
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  WHY are you here ? (on the board)

  by frenchbabyface in

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  ok ... to me it's not totally related to jw life actually, i'm here because i'm used now to chat with people (you know like you go into a cafe and share wathever you want with whoever as this board is very rich and full for immediat interaction), support them, get some support ... i just like that ... also of course it's very interesting at the same time to follow some news and get information that i might spit back to my familly in time to wake them up .... what about you ?

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  This board provides up to date-information on JW-issues and people who are going through the same or similar experiences and are stumbling with more or less the same problems as I do. The partakers are on different development stages. That's great because that way I am confronted with a lot of attitudes to consider and eventually adopt.

  I also love the black humor the subject is often handled with.
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  What obligation do you feel towards your family who are still in?

  by czarofmischief in

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  everybody's situation is different, of course, and everybody has their own choices to make.. but do you recall that when we were dubs, we were constantly urged to go out in service, because people needed to hear what we thought was the truth?

  they would use that scripture by paul, "i consider myself a debtor to all men" etc.

  to enforce the moral compulsion to go door to door.. now that we know the truth about the truth; how obliged are we to tell our family?

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  In my opinion everybody has the right to pursue their own happiness.

  I don't want my love for my parents to be as conditional as their love for me. I don't want to sink down to their level.

  So I stay away from preaching to them about what I believe in and just let them live their life as they want to.
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  Take my challenge

  by pleaseer2001 in

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  a question was asked of me last night.

  what made you find the forum?

  which stopped me in my tracks and opened my mind to ask myself that question.

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  Hello pleaseer2001 ,

  I felt very touched by your speech. I've been quietly reading here for so long. I just couldn't give up reading. The site was like a strong magnet to me. I couldn't stop. I had to come by again and again. The more I read the more did I want to know. I grew up in the org (before leaving as teenager and becoming the black sheep of the family), but researching this site (and others) I finally realised I didn't know that much at all about my parents motives to tread me as they did. Here I learned a lot about the backgrounds and that finally gave me a chance to readjust my own point of view. Lots of your above mentioned thoughts kept me busy with, too. And some still do.

  I consider life a journey and we never stop learning and making progress. Sometimes we feel though as if no progress is made because the steps are sometimes so small but on the long run we realise we've made improvements. That's in my opinion what keeps us going.

  So I wish you love and patience on your journey. You'll make it I am sure.

  Love DHL
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  What upset you about your past in the org?

  by Nicolas in

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  personnally, what upset me the most is all the wasted time.

  i'm now 21 years old, you'll say that i'm still young but i know someone you were at the same elementary school than me and she's now in university.

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  To not be allowed to partake in holidays, birthdays and social activities with friends and schoolmates.

  To feel the need of an almost schizophrenic lifestyle (to talk and behave different with insiders/outsiders)
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  Awake article on friendship, good advice! Wish they'd take it!

  by AlmostAtheist in

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  the awake of december 8, 2004 says in the article "good friends, bad friends" under the subheading "sizing up potential friends":.

  "what opinion do mature and respectable people in the community have of him [the potential friend]?

  in addition, it is wise to consider not only how potential friends treat us but also how they treat others, particularly those from whom they have nothing to gain.

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  Delivering good spiritual food at proper time no doubt leads to brighter light. What's so bad about that?