I have been so controlled all my life
Nice response FMW. You are obviously finding your way in one important sense, that is not trusting someone else's judgement more than your own!
Don't take any crap. Lesson #1.
CYP
my 8-year-old son asked me yesterday if i liked going to the kh.
i told him "no, not really.
" he said that he doesn't really like to go all the time either, but we have to go if we want to get into paradise.. i allow him to go to the kh with my parents when he wants to because he does like to go.
I have been so controlled all my life
Nice response FMW. You are obviously finding your way in one important sense, that is not trusting someone else's judgement more than your own!
Don't take any crap. Lesson #1.
CYP
my 8-year-old son asked me yesterday if i liked going to the kh.
i told him "no, not really.
" he said that he doesn't really like to go all the time either, but we have to go if we want to get into paradise.. i allow him to go to the kh with my parents when he wants to because he does like to go.
Well first off you might want to explain to him that the Bible doesn't say anywhere that we have to go to five meetings a week to attain salvation. I used the basic study I outlined in this thread. I updated it from the comments provided. It went very well.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/97144/1.ashx
As far as what you believe? Yikes. That will take time. Terry wrote a really nice thread awhile back on cuckoo eggs being laid in our head. The idea is that like a cuckoo bird, which leaves it's own eggs in other bird's nest, sometimes people put ideas into our heads. Since they are not our own, they are not complete, completely understood, or even erroneous. We have to make our own reality. I don't have the link, but go to Terry's profile and look under topics.
I do hope you don't let some folks claiming to speak for God, give Him a bad name. Whatever you decide to believe, you should get pretty close to the mark if you keep these two axioms in mind:
1. Be ready to seek the truth from any legitmate source.
2. Make finding truth your priority, even if you don't like it much when you discover it.
As far as telling the kids? Ithinkisee wrote a nice thread on that recently as well. THere were plenty of good comments from folks there. The consensus seems to be that kids are pretty accepting of the change. I don't think anyone likes beng a dub.
CYP
this is a new idea that i will keep it going if it generates enough interest.
some jw's, especially loyal followers who take each magazine as gospel, adjust their temperament according to the latest wt article.
it might be helpful to those of us with jw relatives or partners to access to the theme-of-the-week.
Friggin brilliant!
i am a male ubm, aka "unbelieving mate", which is hard enough.
i hate seeing my wife, someone who i have the utmost respect for, humiliating herself through her enslavement to this silly man-made publishing company.
i hate seeing her become a drone.
Oh good, Carla is here to save this thread from my juvenile meanderings.
you can see there must be some counterpart to your wifes feelings as well.
COuld you clarify this. I didn't quite follow you here. Are you saying that my wife feels the way you lady ubm's feel? Or are you saying that women are just as confused about men as men are about women?
i am a male ubm, aka "unbelieving mate", which is hard enough.
i hate seeing my wife, someone who i have the utmost respect for, humiliating herself through her enslavement to this silly man-made publishing company.
i hate seeing her become a drone.
Most of us men appreciate a woman who actually knows what she wants
Did I miss a major news story somewhere? Such a thing exists?
Ok, I have now completely run a very important and potentially helpful thread right into the ditch.
CYP - Casey Jones
i am a male ubm, aka "unbelieving mate", which is hard enough.
i hate seeing my wife, someone who i have the utmost respect for, humiliating herself through her enslavement to this silly man-made publishing company.
i hate seeing her become a drone.
I cant believe it. I always imagined you such a macho beast
Alright now you are making fun.
WHo am I kidding. Even transparant, sarcastic, or insincere efforts to boost the fragile male ego are welcome.
i am a male ubm, aka "unbelieving mate", which is hard enough.
i hate seeing my wife, someone who i have the utmost respect for, humiliating herself through her enslavement to this silly man-made publishing company.
i hate seeing her become a drone.
Kidding about which part? That someone asked if I was gay, or my reaction to it?
Someone did ask if I was gay in a joking way, and my response is completely tongue in cheek.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20050902/cm_csm/ekatrina .
read it and see that the pres actually was on the ball and had the machinery turned on and ready to operate.
if a dummy like clinton (gore or kerry as well) had been in charge, who knows what would have happened!
Shining,
Don't waste your time. You might as well walk into a KH and announce that the JW is a bunch of crap. Nobody will listen, and who the hell cares what they think anyway.
CYP
i am a male ubm, aka "unbelieving mate", which is hard enough.
i hate seeing my wife, someone who i have the utmost respect for, humiliating herself through her enslavement to this silly man-made publishing company.
i hate seeing her become a drone.
So this is the thanks I get for being sensetive. In one of my private correspondence with one of you lovely ladies, I was asked if I was GAY!!!
Of course there is nothing wrong with being gay, but for a hetero guy there are few things more horrifying then having someone wonder if you wouldn't take it up the tailpipe!
It is so difficult dealing with women. We just don't understand you. Constantly our ears ring with shrieks and pleas to be more sensetive. So out of guilt, or maybe even a desire to just shut you up, we take the time. We analyze you, which isn't easy because you have a completely different motivation and several more layers of complexity. But we wade through it all, and somehow on a single subject we are able to reach some level of understanding. We become excited!
Finally we are sensetive. We rush to you thinking our reward will be undying gratitude and cheers, cheers from all the men who just can't believe we pulled it off, book deals, guest appearances, maybe even a cooshy tenure at a fancy university, an action figure? to much to dream for perhaps, but most of all the end to that incessant shrieking and pleading to be more sensetive....
...instead we get called a homo.
i am a male ubm, aka "unbelieving mate", which is hard enough.
i hate seeing my wife, someone who i have the utmost respect for, humiliating herself through her enslavement to this silly man-made publishing company.
i hate seeing her become a drone.
I don't know if I agree with that MJ. True, they have them during the day. But at night you are the spiritual head. You can make decisions on meeting attendance. I make mine optional. I also get to conduct a weekly Bible study.
A female ubm would have to ASK for those priveledges.