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Addicted to judgmentalism

by M.J. in

here's something i got emailed to me from ptm ministries at: http://www.ptm.org/uni/resources/ptmupdate/ptmupdate.htm.

nice writeup by people who have nothing to do with the jws.

addicted to judgmentalism.

How many themes are covered in the WT articles?

by Check_Your_Premises in

jw
friends

i love data.

especially in charts.

i can visually "see" things that i just can't by relying on memory and current perceptions.. i thought an interesting peice of data to track over time is the "type" of articles published by the wt.

Check_Your_Premises

Yeah the more I think about it, every article will utilize several themes. Carrot-Stick-Stick-Carrot-Stick

So maybe I should go back and read all the old WT. Ok, maybe not. I actually started reading them just to point out particularly egregious arguments.

CYP

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How many themes are covered in the WT articles?

by Check_Your_Premises in

jw
friends

i love data.

especially in charts.

i can visually "see" things that i just can't by relying on memory and current perceptions.. i thought an interesting peice of data to track over time is the "type" of articles published by the wt.

Check_Your_Premises

Blondie (not you though, CYP)

Well what do you know.... the Watchtower from two weeks ago said I didn't have Jah's blessing, but I do have Blondies!

CYP

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How many themes are covered in the WT articles?

by Check_Your_Premises in

jw
friends

i love data.

especially in charts.

i can visually "see" things that i just can't by relying on memory and current perceptions.. i thought an interesting peice of data to track over time is the "type" of articles published by the wt.

Check_Your_Premises

I love data. Especially in charts. I can visually "see" things that I just can't by relying on memory and current perceptions.

I thought an interesting peice of data to track over time is the "type" of articles published by the WT. I figure there are only a handful of themes really when you think about it. If we could identify those themes, then classify past and current WT articles according to those template themes, we could probably see some interesting trends.

So what are the basic themes of WT articles? Here is my list off the top of my head. Some articles could highlight multiple themes.

The first three I think are of key interest. I can imagine a trend where they are repeated more frequently at certain times. I also forsee a time when almost every week the article is one of these themes. That will mean the carrot isn't working anymore, and like all panicked tyrants they revert to their true nature and just rely on the stick.

Obey and trust the slave (or else)

Don't listen to apostates (or else)

Work harder (not smarter) for the slave

Jesus isn't God (or your mediator)

The Divine Name (Joseph Hovah is apparantly God's name)

Hell isn't hot

Jesus didn't die on a cross (Messiah on a stick)

No Blood (Unless it is very teeny tiny... fat is ok?)

Paradise Earth (pet lions, drink ice tea, and hang out with Jw's forever!!!!)

The end is near (nearer than last time we said it was near)

Be Upbuilding to eachother (nag, snoop, and use codephrases like "glad to see you" and "wanted to see if everything is ok" which are designed to sound like we care about you rather than care about guilt tripping you)

Christendom!!! (Satan apparantly is using these fools to teach his lie that salvation is through faith in Christ and not a publishing company)

The Bible is trustworthy (but some Bibles are more trustworthy than others)

Others?

CYP

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Counter arguments for the WT's Jesus is Michael Proof Texts

by lovelylil in

michael the archangel is only mentioned in five bible verses.

revelation 12:7

therefore, here it is saying that when christ comes down from heaven he is accompanied by a loud shout, made with the voice of the archangel, and he is also accompanied by the trumpet call of god.

Check_Your_Premises

After reading Hebrews I wondered how dubs explained that. The first few chapters seem to be dedicated to correcting the idea that Christ was an Angel.

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The WTS Most Awesome Tool of Indoctrination?

by watson in

i say it's "examining the scriptures daily.

" any thoughts on this?.

watson

Check_Your_Premises

Without a doubt I think it is the door to door work.

It is the perfect example of the influence of consistency. Humans have a natural need to be consistent. Their actions need to be consistent with thoughts and emotions. That is the basis for cognitive dissonance theory.

Also it has been shown that if a person performs and act that is difficult (knocking on strangers doors to recruit people is VERY difficult!!!), they will have a stronger need for their future actions to be consistent with that act. If an act is somehow public (door to door is seen by fellow jws and people being preached to), then the need to be consistent is further reinforced by the outside social pressure that comes from needing to be seen as consistent by others.

You could probably add to that the way it divides the world in the jw mind. They are the right ones. All others are potential recruits or enemies. The only legitimate way to interact with the outside world for the jw is the preaching work.

Prostletyzing = Indoctrination

The jw's may not be the most controlling cult out there, but they are probably one of the hardest from which to free a person's mind.

CYP

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Extra training ... so you know that shooting babies is WRONG ?!?

by Simon in

how dumb and pathetic.. no extra training should be necessary for even slightly trained and disciplined soldiers.

i guess it is for some of the rabble that the us call "troops" though.. of course the real problem is not just those on the ground that have committed the latest attrocity.

it is the chain of command that tried to cover it up and all the way up to the president who sanctions bombing of civilian targets with nothing more than rumour for "intelligence".. from now on america, you are on your own.

Check_Your_Premises

The marked countries all had their respective asses saved from either the Nazis or the Imperial Japanese army primarily by we corrupt, mean, selfish Americans in WWII.

Although I share your view that the world owes America a debt of gratitude for our defense of civilization and the values of Western Civilization, I have to point out that the Brits had pretty much turned the corner in Africa and Europe while the Ruskies had done so in Asia. The Nazis were going down. We just made it happen sooner with less Allied bloodshed.

If you are cool, you don't have to tell people. They just know.

Now if you want to talk about the damn Ruskies we can talk about saving alot of respective asses...

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Extra training ... so you know that shooting babies is WRONG ?!?

by Simon in

how dumb and pathetic.. no extra training should be necessary for even slightly trained and disciplined soldiers.

i guess it is for some of the rabble that the us call "troops" though.. of course the real problem is not just those on the ground that have committed the latest attrocity.

it is the chain of command that tried to cover it up and all the way up to the president who sanctions bombing of civilian targets with nothing more than rumour for "intelligence".. from now on america, you are on your own.

Check_Your_Premises

No extra training should be necessary for even slightly trained and disciplined soldiers. I guess it is for some of the rabble that the US call "troops" though.

This stuff happens in every war with every military. In fact the most tragic aspect of war is without a doubt the suffering of civilians.

If this really happened, what you basically had was some 19 to 20 year olds with alot of firepower at their disposal who were pretty pissed off to see their buddy blown to pieces. They were just looking for payback. It's just war.

CYP

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Is The Society Truly "Destructive"?

by logansrun in

jw
friends

is it really proper to say that the witness organization is a destructive religion (or cult) or that they promote self-destructive behavior in its members?

most on this forum would say yes, emphatically so.

i think the situation is actually more complex, however.

Check_Your_Premises

one must admit that present day technologies make death from lack of a blood transfusion a rarity.

If it affects you, it isn't rare. Statistics musn't hide us from the fact that they represent REAL people. However you want to spin it, the blood policy is an abomination.

CYP

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Spoof Awake Articles

by rebel8 in

jw
friends

osmosis and i are collaborating to put together some spoof awakes.

i've written some articles spoofing the teachings & writing style.

i think our goal is to be as humorous as possible while drawing attention to problematic stuff about wt publications.

Check_Your_Premises

I think the modified front cover titles would be an integral part of this.

Awhile back Richie had one for the one where a bunch of angels are looking down on the earth, his was "Angels Watch You Poop"

I love that big-little bastard!!

CYP

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