Skiing on Christmas. That's a great idea.
So is celebrating Christmas.
Being a person who is loved and respected by a witness, yet respectfully NOT being a witness, is probably the best witness of all!
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JWs in Field Service Today--Christmas.
by M.J. ini guess the local kh is doing a special field service outing today, which my wife will be a part of...on christmas morning.
i think this is intrusive and disrespectful.. did any of you do fs on christmas?.
is this a common thing among jws?
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Anybody know this kid? Sad Story!
by Check_Your_Premises insean patrick powell, 24, of aurora, il and formerly of grand haven, mi, at rest, november 21, 2006 in aurora, il.
he was born on october 2, 1982 in ionia, mi.. sean is survived by his loving wife, xxxxx; and son, xxxxx; his parents, xxxx and xxxx of grand haven, mi; his sister, xxxx of norton shores, mi; his parents-in-law, xxxx and xxxx, sr. of aurora, il; his sister-in-law, xxxx; and brother-in-law, xxxx.
; his nieces and nephews, xxxx.
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Sean Patrick Powell, 24, of Aurora, IL and formerly of Grand Haven, MI, at rest, November 21, 2006 in Aurora, IL. He was born on October 2, 1982 in Ionia, MI.
Sean is survived by his loving wife, xxxxx; and son, xxxxx; his parents, xxxx and xxxx of Grand Haven, MI; his sister, xxxx of Norton Shores, MI; his parents-in-law, xxxx and xxxx, Sr. of Aurora, IL; his sister-in-law, xxxx; and brother-in-law, xxxx.; his nieces and nephews, xxxx. He is also survived by his grandmothers, xxxx and xxxx; as well as many aunts, uncles, cousins and friends.
He was preceded in death by his grandfathers, Fred Powell and John Hanulcik; and his special cousin, Nicholas Wills.
Sean was a communication specialist for Solar Communications, Naperville. He graduated from Grand Haven High School and attended Baker College in Muskegon, MI. He was a faithful, dedicated brother of the North Naperville Congregation fo Jehovah's Witnesses.
Family will recieve friends on Friday, November 24, 2006 at 2:00 until 3:30 PM at the Friedrich-Jones Funeral Home, 44 South Mill, Naperville. Memorial Services will begin at 3:30 PM at the funeral home chapel with Elder Martin Campbell officiating. A private family interment will be at Chapel Hill Gardens West, Oakbrook Terrace, IL.
(edited to remove names of family)
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Maybe there is some hope
by nonamegiven inwell, many of you know my situation very well.
i'll give you all an update.
wednesday night i told my wife i wasn't going to go to one of the days of our 2 day assembly this weekend.
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There is always hope. I think the ones who are most bombastic are the ones with some of the greatest doubts.
You are just going to have to be REALLY patient. Reading Hassan's books gives you the impression that there is some sort of fool proof method that you can apply and you will acheive a desired result.
This is probably true, but you have NO idea how long it will take before they are ready to ask the tough questions. You can't force them one bit. That is the frustrating part.
The trick is to steel yourself emotionally such that you can work desperately for something, which the outcome is of the highest significance, yet not be discouraged one bit if it ever happens.
Not easy.
Hang in there bro, you have many fellow travelers.
CYP
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Local Worldies Get Night of Payback for Entire Year of Pesky Door-Knocking
by Check_Your_Premises inapupi - pensacola.
"they just won't stop knocking" gasped local elder john swollenliver as he described the relentless barage of trick-or-treaters beating on his door.
"why do they keep knocking on the door!
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This almost gave me goosebumps... your child has a chance to experience 'normal'. When my mom became a JW, my dad quit doing all the holiday stuff with us kids. I really missed the holidays, but I missed feeling 'normal', like I fit in with the rest of the kids, most of all.
You're a great dad!!
Well the credit goes to this board and the fine people on it. When I showed up here I had been hit by a mack truck.
"These guys saw a 1000 guys like me before. They knew every move I was going to make and how to head me off. They had me sliced and diced before I knew what hit me." -Ithinkisee's Dad
When I showed up here I was desperate, without hope, and without options. Now I am one step ahead of them! Now I have them sliced and diced. Yeah, it has been a dark and difficult road but I feel like I have reached a static point. They aren't gaining ground on me anymore, I have my strategies in place and slowly but surely I am the one gaining ground!
So when I said, "Here ya go, here is your first door", I said it for her, but I also said it for all you guys (my wife included) who have been robbed of so many precious moments and memories and relationships. It was a really poignant moment for me.
Here is the translation:
"Go knock on that door. Not to hand out bogus literature or to brainwash you, but for the only reason a kid your age should EVER be knocking on a damn door.... TO GET YOUR HALLOWEEN CANDY"
Up yours WT!!! Keep your grubby hands off my kid!!!
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Local Worldies Get Night of Payback for Entire Year of Pesky Door-Knocking
by Check_Your_Premises inapupi - pensacola.
"they just won't stop knocking" gasped local elder john swollenliver as he described the relentless barage of trick-or-treaters beating on his door.
"why do they keep knocking on the door!
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You should have dressed one up like a JW with tie and a witnessing bag, that would really scare them.
That is funny! It would have made a good angle to the story also. Get some kids dressed up as witnesses, going knocking on the doors of witnesses on Halloween.
Terrifying indeed!
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I took for the first time my kids tricker-treating !!!
by Lapuce inyes i did it, i finally took my two kids out on halloween for their first time!!!
i will remember this i think for the rest of my life!
my two boys, the oldest 9, dressed as a pirate and the youngest 5 as spiderman.
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Me too!!!
Felt great didn't it!
As much as I hope for the day when my wife has the courage to finally question this bunch of kookballs, I know it will be so painful for her when she realizes how many precious moments and relationships she lost forever just to stay in the good graces of a two bit publishing company that has to indoctrinate readers to keep 'em buying their stupid books and magazines.
The wt is just another thief of always.
CYP
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Local Worldies Get Night of Payback for Entire Year of Pesky Door-Knocking
by Check_Your_Premises inapupi - pensacola.
"they just won't stop knocking" gasped local elder john swollenliver as he described the relentless barage of trick-or-treaters beating on his door.
"why do they keep knocking on the door!
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yeah i must agree the Ray Franz part was the best!
Usually I have a different favorite part than everyone else, but this time I have to agree. That one made it in one of the last edits.
The one about Jehovah's people being persectued was probably a close second.
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Local Worldies Get Night of Payback for Entire Year of Pesky Door-Knocking
by Check_Your_Premises inapupi - pensacola.
"they just won't stop knocking" gasped local elder john swollenliver as he described the relentless barage of trick-or-treaters beating on his door.
"why do they keep knocking on the door!
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I knew they would never answer so felt free to keep banging away, after all I saw them in there!
And that's how we do it in service too. If you think they are at home keep bugging the crap out of them until they answer.
Any reason you datelined Pensacola?
Yeah, that was my take on it. That is great that you pestered them! I took my 3 year old out for the first time last night. We went to the first house and I said with carefully chosen words, "ok sweetie, here is your first door!". Exquisite. And I told the people who answered that they got the honor of her first trick or treat.
I walked a 3 year old around the block, who was dressed like a princess, and got about 20 peices of candy dropped into a pillow case.
My what a despicable sinner I am. I am sure Jehovah is quite furious with me.
Pensacola? That is where the newstory came out of!!! I am a serious journalist!!!
Or maybe it rhymes with Frankie and Lola? Maybe I spent a little time in that neck of the woods? Hard to say.
Happy Halloween!!!
CYP
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Local Worldies Get Night of Payback for Entire Year of Pesky Door-Knocking
by Check_Your_Premises inapupi - pensacola.
"they just won't stop knocking" gasped local elder john swollenliver as he described the relentless barage of trick-or-treaters beating on his door.
"why do they keep knocking on the door!
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APUPI - Pensacola
"They just won't stop knocking" gasped local elder John Swollenliver as he described the relentless barage of trick-or-treaters beating on his door. "Why do they keep knocking on the door! They keep knocking and knocking and knocking and knocking and knocking!" shrieked elder Swollenliver as he descended into madness.
"We know you are in there!!! Don't you want to give us some tracts!!! How about a free, home-based bible study!!! C'mon invite me to a convention!!!" cried out the angered focus of the local life-saving preaching work.
"Those bastards woke me up every Saturday last summer" explained the father of young Ralphie Snipple. "Yeah, little Ralphie wanted to be a power ranger, but I knew that wouldn't scare the crap out of those damn door-knockers, so I had him dress like Ray Franz!!!".
Apparantly Ralphie enjoyed the opportunity for a little payback as well, "Ok, like first of all, they would always interrupt my Saturday cartoons." he explained. "But the thing that really got me pissed was when my friend Johnny Spewack's mom joined this bunch. Now he can't ever play cuz he is always at some meeting. He says if it wasn't for me sneaking him some of my candy he would just snap. What a bunch of crap!" He continued to beat on elder Swollenliver's door shouting, "Hey we got a smurf out here!"
Despite the all the cowering by Jehovah's chosen people in the face of the horrifying persecution of small, festive children asking for candy, some are not so easily intimidated.
On the other side of town, Sister Cantfindabrother is more resolute, "ok, those little demonic bastards can enjoy their night of striking fear into the hearts of the friends, but for the next 364 days, their little rotting-at-Armageddon asses are mine!" she said washing down her anti-depressant pills with her fifth rum and coke. "I will start a study with your mothers and convince them that Jehovah doesn't want you to play little league. Next year you little minions of satan-the-devil will be carrying a service bag instead of a trick or treat bag" she shrieked and cackled maniacly into the night before passing out repeatedly mumbling, "What a world, what a world, what a world".
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Do 'Cult Deprogramers' Work?
by Outaservice inthere have been individuals who hire so called 'cult deprogramers' to get a loved one out of a cult.
they sometimes kidnap them and try to get them out of whatever cult they might be in.
does this ever work, and would it have worked on you as a jw?.
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Randy,
I was initially very optimistic and worked very hard to apply Hassan's principles with my wife.
Something I have realized is that my wife very desperately NEEDS to believe in the jw. It is more than that she is simply in a mind control situation. Before his methods will work I have to address and help lessen her need.
The other problem I had with Hassan's books is they don't adequately address how significantly more complicated the situation is when you are married to a jw, and have children. It is very difficult to balance the need to gain the trust of your cult member spouse with the need to protect your children from the indoctrination. I have had to make a very difficult decision to focus on protecting my children even if it means damaging trust with my wife.
Other than that, those books are invaluable!!! Read them, read them, digest them, read them again. Practice, practice practice!!! Look at every encounter with a dub as an opportunity to hone your cult-busting skills.
CYP