Posts by BugEye

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Funnies!

by nicolaou in

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seems like so many of us have a good joke or funny story to tell.

i thought it might be a good idea to have somewhere to put them.. nic'.

junior's room.

Dave works hard at the plant and spends most evenings bowling or playing basketball at the gym. His wife thinks he is pushing himself too hard, so for his birthday she takes him to a local strip club.

The doorman at the club greets them and says, "Hi, Dave, how's it hangin?"

His wife is puzzled and asks if he's been to this club before. "Oh no," says Dave. "He's on my bowling team."

When they are seated, a waitress asks Dave if he'd like his usual - Budweiser. His wife is becoming uncomfortable and says, "You must come here a lot for that woman to know you drink Budweiser".

"No, dear, she's in the Ladies Bowling League. We share lanes with them."

A stripper comes over to their table and throws her arms around Dave.
"Hi Dave," she says, "Want your usual table dance?"

Dave's wife, now furious, storms out of the club. Dave follows and spots her getting into a cab. Before she can slam the door, he jumps in beside her and she starts screaming at him. The cabby turns his head and says, "Looks like you picked up a real bitch tonight, Dave."

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Funnies!

by nicolaou in

jw
friends

seems like so many of us have a good joke or funny story to tell.

i thought it might be a good idea to have somewhere to put them.. nic'.

junior's room.

BugEye

Q. What's the difference between a nine-months pregnant woman and a
Playboy centerfold?

A. Nothing, if the pregnant woman's husband knows what's good for him.

29

A Message of Hope

by 7robert7 in

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it's been a long time since i've visited this site.

the last time that i was here i was not allowed to participate in this forums discussions for as it was explained to me, "you dont share in our beliefs, therefore your comments, ideas, and expressions would cause conflict, and disunity among those of us who do share in the truth.

" the day i recieved the denial, i broke down in tears and prayed that jesus christ would bring down the walls of hatred and mistrust among those here and that he would allow me the blessed opportunity to some day share the joy that i have found in him.

BugEye

Carmel

The reason they jumped into bed with Swaggart Ministries in the
court case was fear of loss.

If they pay tax, or go with the "donation" idea, their power empire
may collapse due to bankruptcy. That is something their pride and
greed for power could not tolerate.

If I am afraid to go bankrupt, does that make me materialistic?
Would it mean that my motivation is "money"?

NO, money is the side issue and although it is tied in, due to the
capitalistic world we live in, it is not the WTBTS aim.

Dave

29

A Message of Hope

by 7robert7 in

jw
friends

it's been a long time since i've visited this site.

the last time that i was here i was not allowed to participate in this forums discussions for as it was explained to me, "you dont share in our beliefs, therefore your comments, ideas, and expressions would cause conflict, and disunity among those of us who do share in the truth.

" the day i recieved the denial, i broke down in tears and prayed that jesus christ would bring down the walls of hatred and mistrust among those here and that he would allow me the blessed opportunity to some day share the joy that i have found in him.

BugEye

Carmel, you missed the point I was making.

Here is an example, I should have given it in the first place.

When reading the lead comment, someone who is doubting, but afraid
to leave the truth may begin to read. They will get to the part where
he said

These are just a few of the many thousands of "stories they
have made up" to expoit their sheep. But why? Nearly $1,000,000,000.00 dollars is why."

And they will say to themselves, "thats not true, the WTBTS is not
like Jimmy Swaggart, the GB doesnt drive around in Rolls Royce's and
I've never heard any evidence that any of them are wealthy."

And here is the point THEY WILL STOP READING AND THINK "THE BROTHERS
ARE RIGHT AND THESE PEOPLE MUST BE APOSTATES AND THEY LIE" and the
opportunity to help someone escape will be lost.

Whether money is needed to keep power over the "flock" or not is
irrellevant. Power is their aim, and money is a tool and a side
issue.

The point is, $1,000,000,000.00 is NOT why they mislead and mistreat
their flock, which the above statement says. Power, control, pride and
haughtiness are the EVIDENT reasons.

By sticking to EVIDENT reasons, we can help others to see the truth
about the WTBTS which I am sure you agree is most important.

Also Carmel, you stated

"Money is a measure of power ...

Yes Money is A measure of power not THE measure of power.

If that were true, then Ghandi was powerless.
Also, If you believe the bible, what about Jesus.
"nowhere to lay his head" but he started a movement that is "followed"
2000 years later and millions regard his words with reverence.

Power but no material wealth.

Sorry, but they are not interchangable.

Dave

15

old, somewhere to go, proud, and fearless

by messenger in

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i have done some really bad things that involve kittens and ducks but i do not want to tell you my story, unless you ask, then i will have to refuse.

while i need help and consolation, i hate everyone on this board and will attack anyone that replies to this topic.

please do not try to help me or i will kill myself and it will be your fault.. love,.

BugEye

How deeply this post moved me.
I feel for you and your plight. Dont worry about the kittens, they
are with God now.

I have a suggestion, why dont you try prostitution, you could become
the whore of this board.

Ohh I forgot, someone else has allready volunteered for that.

Anyway, I am sure that you meant well.

Dave

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A Message of Hope

by 7robert7 in

jw
friends

it's been a long time since i've visited this site.

the last time that i was here i was not allowed to participate in this forums discussions for as it was explained to me, "you dont share in our beliefs, therefore your comments, ideas, and expressions would cause conflict, and disunity among those of us who do share in the truth.

" the day i recieved the denial, i broke down in tears and prayed that jesus christ would bring down the walls of hatred and mistrust among those here and that he would allow me the blessed opportunity to some day share the joy that i have found in him.

BugEye

BTW Logical

I couldnt find those threads you referred to.

Dave

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A Message of Hope

by 7robert7 in

jw
friends

it's been a long time since i've visited this site.

the last time that i was here i was not allowed to participate in this forums discussions for as it was explained to me, "you dont share in our beliefs, therefore your comments, ideas, and expressions would cause conflict, and disunity among those of us who do share in the truth.

" the day i recieved the denial, i broke down in tears and prayed that jesus christ would bring down the walls of hatred and mistrust among those here and that he would allow me the blessed opportunity to some day share the joy that i have found in him.

BugEye

People commonly treat money and power as though they are interchangable.

This however is an error, for although they are mostly found together,
they are not interchangable.

Ghandi was one of the most powerful men yet he had little wealth.

Bill Gates has the most money in the world, yet although he has power
his power is nowhere near comparable to his wealth.

There is no doubt that the men in Bethel are control "freaks" and
are pharisees by nature, but this does not in any way infer that
money is their motivation. Using this argument simply weakens the
case against them.

Use strong argument and points that are not only verifiable but
pertinent.

Using this argument also introduces complexity where none is
nessesary.

Better still, use the NWT to show that they are not only wrong, but
also ungodly in behaviour.

Sorry for being so adament, but as a scientist, I know all too well
weak and unsubstantiated argument promotes conflict. Where the WTBTS
is concerned, it also allows believers to have loopholes to escape
through.

Although it is wrong, people use the theory that if one bit is right
then it is all right. And if one bit is wrong then it is all wrong.
Giving a weak argument, even in only a small part allows someone who
is doubting but wants to believe to say "oh they are wrong in that, so
I wont read anymore"

Help your fellowman and woman to be set free by thinking carefully
and using strong points.

Dave

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A Message of Hope

by 7robert7 in

jw
friends

it's been a long time since i've visited this site.

the last time that i was here i was not allowed to participate in this forums discussions for as it was explained to me, "you dont share in our beliefs, therefore your comments, ideas, and expressions would cause conflict, and disunity among those of us who do share in the truth.

" the day i recieved the denial, i broke down in tears and prayed that jesus christ would bring down the walls of hatred and mistrust among those here and that he would allow me the blessed opportunity to some day share the joy that i have found in him.

BugEye

Hi there

Thanks for your message of joy.

I dissagree on one point. That is although the WTBTS is a billion
dollar affair and it is sustained by the literature placement in
particular, you cannot make the statement that money is its motivation
unless you can show some individuals that get wealthy from it.

Watters makes a big hype about this, but there is still no evidence
that any one person or group has become wealthy due to the WTBTS.

I suggest, that initially it started as it said as a bible truth
seeking group, and trapped itself along a path and has had to keep
modifying and manipulating hoping that it will work out somehow.

The concept of "where are we to go" applies in a big way to the
organisers of the WTBTS. If they admit to themselves that they had
it all wrong, then their world will collapse.

Only relatively few are as brave and courageous as Ray Franz. And
the courage is in how to admit to yourself that you were wrong in
teaching something that controlled negatively the lives of millions.

a penny's worth

Dave

106

new, nowhere to turn, ashamed & afraid

by azzazel in

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hullo everybody i'm new here, even though i've been lurking now for several months.. i have to say how afraid i am to post, afraid and ashamed but i feel if i dont tell my story, i honestly dont know what may happen to me or my children if they lose me, right now i feel like i've got nowhere left to turn and have my doubts about this place as well.. i know my story will shock you but i cant keep it in any longer.

i am recently disfellowshipped for immorality, the subject of a kingdom hall witch -hunt and subsequent congregational humiliation, .

during the process of the judicial committee meetings and proceedings no consideration was given to my real human circumstances nor to the spirit of survival nor human nature nor that of a mother seeking to protect her children from lack of basic fundamentals such as food, shelter and clothing.

BugEye

Azzazel

Just be careful with your life and take only your own advice
seriously. Its midnight here, so I go to bed now.

Good luck

Dave

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Sign of the times?

by BugEye in

here is one for you.. in matt 24:9 it says **then** you will be persecuted .

in luke 21:12 it says **before** this you will be persecuted.

i have my own explaination, but it is quite radical and so.

BugEye

Hi Aaron, thanks for that. I understand that, but that does not explain the contradiction then.

dave