the "day for a year"-rule is the basis for some of the fundamental parts of jw-doctrine.
the 1914-date is based on the "day for a year"-rule (7 "biblical times" is 2520 days, substituting a day for a year, you get 2520 years from 607 bc - 1914 ad, blah blah, you know the routine).
the bible says a day is like a thousand years: .
You can find this in:
Reasoning Book Page 93: Dates on page 97 there is a chart in calculating the Seven Times in which are quoted the scriptures that use a day for a year: Ezekiel 4:6 and Numbers 14:34.
I read this explanation of the 607 BCE date and shake my head, because at one time I took this all as truth, just didnt realize the rest of the world had a different date that could be support by history not creating a date based on prohectic dates that have various interpretations!
Peace
Sheri
i went over and visited my parents today.
my mom broke her hip while we were in hawaii, and i've been mostly house/bed ridden myself since we got home.
so i finally got over there today.. we talked a little about the hurricane, which was on the news she turned off.
Brenda,
Sorry about your Dad, its hard to watch a parent slip away, my Mom is 84 and has lung cancer. I had a friend ask the other day "boy dont you just want armageddeon to come?" then I reminded her that I do not think that way anymore and dont plan on it happening just as we were taught. So I live now in peace and love for all people not just JWs.
Let us know which island you are moving to.
Peace,
Sheri
there is a "sister" and her daughter, that come to visit different ones at my place of business.
they usually come about 3 times a month, to read a scripture or a paragraph from a magazine, to a couple of people.
they then say hello to me, and leave after making their wt and awake placements.
This just happened to my friend who has not been to a meeting in two years. Sister showed up at her work place and began asking her to attend meetings and even asked if she would be interested in studying again to help her (she was raised in the truth and is 30+yrs) when she said she was not interested in studying then she heaped on the ends coming soon and she needs to take action. This really upset her because she also felt that this was done during the day so that this woman could count her time. Apparently too busy in the evenings to stop by to visit and take away from her person time. The mark of Love really is showing that if the time counts then you count.
Peace
Sheri
''for in the resurrection neither do men marry nor women be given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven'' (matthew 22 v 30).
i was taught that this scripture means that the resurrected will be unmarriageable.
(i state what appears to be the obvious, as i have since heard that god would be cruel to disallow the 'reunion' of a happy couple separated by death).. as i understood this scripture to mean the resurrected would be celibate, it made sense to me that they would not have the appearance of 'survivors'.
Will there be three public bathrooms, Men, Women, Others ? I know of a person that asked an elder about this scripture appearing to mean resurrected are in heaven and was told No that they will be neither sex, which she then brought up issue of public bathrooms. He brushed her off for questioning it. Then elders wife cautioned her in questioning scriptures when she couldnt except his explanation and asked for more information.
After reading an article on Where Great Crowd is on another site and comparing the Greek Interlinear with the Greek words and what Franz printed as the translation, plus the 1960 and 1980 Watchtower Articles I am not feeling the Great Crowd is in heaven. Again amazing how twisted the translations and articles are but again I was not a witness in 1960 so I took the 1980 Article Hook, line and sinker.
Peace
Sheri
hey ya'll, t was announced this morning at the breakfast table that there are two new members of the governing body.
they were formerly "helpers" or "given ones.
" anthony morris raised a family and then went into the traveling work.
Hey Truthsetsonefree, tell the GB that if they need to increase or replace there is a wonderful annointed one in my area that is around 70 yrs old (a replacement annointed) has good brain function, sense of humor, can walk and talk at the same time. I think there also might be a few others (8,000+) out there in the earth that could be asked if they would like to be in Brooklyn, since the annointed are such a "close knit" group.
Peace
Sheri
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last night my wife said she was thinking about quitting the truth.she says she finds it too hard with me having doubts and not wanting to be a jw anymore.she has also been burned by her few jw friends,and the rest are either disfellowshipped or getting divorced.it's really hard to build lasting relationships with such people in the religion.. another positive factor is that she has made 2 good "worldly" friends over the past year.i think she's starting to see that people on the outside can be nice,have morals and accept others as they are.. i hope in time she starts feeling good about this decision and that i can slowly show her the many errors of the wts.so far she agrees with many of the things i've told her but still believes it's the truth.it's a hard battle but i never tought i'd hear her say those words.. btw,she finally called a local elder to see if he can help me with my many questions.he's coming over tonight so it should be quite interesting.i think he'll be a little surprised at some of the direct questions i have;i'm also hoping that after a while he decides there's not much hope for me and just labels me an apostate and starts talking about df'ing me.that would show my wife their attitude towards answering questions that have no scriptural answers.. anyways,i'll do my best to keep you all up-dated.it can be hard to post as my wife diesn't know i come here on a regular basis.. goldminer
Goldminer, the best to you and your wife, while having your meeting with the elder, who I am afraid will not be able to answer your questions very well and to avoid the problem with answers you will become the target eventually, but I think you already know this.
Scully has excellent advice and really look at this issue with your wife. Assure her of your love of her and God but express your hope that she will come to her own decision. Perhaps your Tuesday or Thursday nights could be taking one topic that she needs answered and examine the topic together and come to an understanding together. After all that is what the original christian meetings (in homes) were for discussion and understanding of scripture. There are many bible commentaries on the web to use in addition to the NWT Bible and when she is really ready start reading the Greek Interlinear from JWs and you will find many changes made by Franz.
But steady and slow is the best approach as this really does need to be an individual issues. Remember you are not leaving Jehovah and Jesus you are just leaving a man's organization. If you have not read In Search of Christian Freedom by Ray Franz it is well worth obtaining and browsing through, especially his thoughts on where do we go when we have left the Jehovah's Witness organization.
Best to you and your family,
Sheri
what is "the faith"?.
the faith?.
5, 6. what standard do we have for testing whether we are in the faith, and .
Thank you Blondie. I am forwarding this study article to a friend who has recently had her family tell her that she will not be in new system due to not attending meetings last couple years. Although she attended the memorial (for the last time) this year. So sad the Guilt Trips being passed on in the name of Love.
Peace
Sheri
i was raised in as a jw, and got batpz at 16. i started pioneer at 18 and got married when i was 21. i was made an ms at 22, and was soon giving many parts.. my brother who was also a pioneer, eventually stopped, even stopped going to meetings.
he placed a doubt in my mind about 607. he simply told me to look at the kingdom come book appendix.. i looked at the material and was ablt to rationalize it in my mind as secular vs. biblical chronology (which is a gross oversimplification).
as well, i knew some things being done within the orginization didn't sit very well with me.
Ackack,
Welcome! I hope that you will find this site helpful and a place to reflect and reach out. My brother has had three serious relationships all of which the women were the abusers, although not a JW he does struggle with asking WHY did I pick these women. Its good that you are searching for answers and seeking help from the right sources. I am sure that you are now on the right path.
Peace & Love,
Sheri
i have listed all the books i found at the library that mention 586/87 as the fall of jerusalem.
i was also able to link to all of them (except the first one listed) on amazon.com!
many are out of print or unavailable as new books but you can buy almost all of them used on amazon.com ... some are only $10-12 each!
ithinkisee- Thanks so much for the list.
Add to your list a simple history book with timeline on each page that I got on sale at Borders & Books: Investigate World History, This is a Dempsey Parrr Book published in 2000, authors ANita Ganeri, Hazel Mary Martell, Brian Williams.
I just happened to have bought this on sale and when it came to my attention last year on History Channel program on God that Jerusalem fell in 586/587 BCE, I went to this book expecting to see 607BCE and found out it read 586BCE. So started my quest for truth.
Peace
Sheri
just a little bit about myself before you answer:
i was raised a jehovah's witness by my mother, who got "the truth" by studying with inlaws who were already members.
my father had been disfellewshipped for joining the army a few years before i was born, and has nevered returned to the organization.
Getting Better with more communication! My husband was not a JW but before we got together but he had in the past attended some meetings and did study bible for awhile, so he had knowledge of the teachings. He has never tried to change my beliefs and accepted it when I began to study. He has over the years gone along with my beliefs (holidays, meetings, etc.) but even though I had slowed down on meetings he was still shocked when I told him of my concerns of the teachings. I really appreciate that he has not tried to sway me one way or the other, even when the various witnesses brothers we had hired over the last 10 years usually ended up being a mistake, either tried to take our business away or just did terrible work. He did finally say he will not hire another witness, which I agreed was best. I did not ever take up issues with elders over the work problems (a couple of the brothers we hired where elders!) I just figure we will all will be accountable eventually.
Today we talk more about God than ever before and even have disucussion on various issues of our individual beliefs and questions about religion. It was as if before he knew there would be no discussion just the JW way or the highway, now we are on a two way street. I am so thankful to have come to this point in my life, it is such a freedom. However, unlike many I do not a lot of family members in the organization. My mother in law is, but she is also questioning many things and said she would stand behind me regardless of what I choose to do in formally leaving the org, since we do not live in same area it is not a big problem. I am so thankful she is open to listening to me and sharing her own concerns but her age and has a small group of sisters that are dear to her and I know she chooses at this point in her life not to make waves. I do believe that there are many elderly ones that feel this way.
Peace & Love,
Sheri
