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  Anything absurd/stupid/silly said in your congregation?

  by badboy in

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  in one thread it said something said that dodos were wiped out in noah's flood.. did anyone say something absurd,stupid or just plain silly?.

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  bennyk

  "The elders are your 'bridge' to Jehovah" (!) (and it was said in all seriousness).
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  What does Josephus say about 586/87 BCE?

  by ithinkisee in

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  i know he refers to the 70 years originally in one place and later changes it to 50 years later in his life when he got more info - but other than that, is there any other relevant stuff from his works regarding nebuchadnezzar laying the smack-down on the temple in 586/87?.

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  bennyk

  Thanks for posting the quotes, JCanon.

  The excerpt from "Antiquities" indicates SEVENTY years of SERVITUDE.

  The two excerpts from "Against Apion" indicate that the FIFTY years DESOLATION of the temple (and Jerusalem, one hastens to add) occured DURING the those same seventy years of servitude. ("during the interval of seventy years" -- NOT: FOR an interval of seventy years.) The seventy years of servitude began before the desolation of Jerusalem. Cf. Jer. 27:1,6-8 [note past perfect tense in vs 6] and 28:1,2,11 [where the servitude is already under way].

  [Incidentally, the 1971 Large-print NWT has the running heading "seventy years of servitude" rather than "captivity" (this from memory - the 1971 book is not before me).]
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  Could someone post the May 15 1984 Watchtower articles ???

  by run dont walk in

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  my elder brother seems to think the watchtower never said that, these articles are about the 1914 generation that will not pass away, i beleive they are study articles also, so if someone could post the articles in their entirety form the magazine or direct me to a website that has them, would be appreciated.

  i'm pretty sure it was may 15, has the logo on the front cover, 1914 thegeneration that will not pass away, might be may 1, 1984, not sure.. thanks.

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  bennyk

  From the "Reasoning" book: "that some who saw the events of 1914 will also see the complete destruction of the present wicked world" (p. 200).
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 7-17-05 WT Study (Complete/Sacred Service

  by blondie in

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  i wonder what i am doing wrong posting this?

  i will try later..

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  Hmmm. My printed Index of Watchtower Publications 1930-1985, copywrite 1986, has NO citation for the two 1976 articles; only a listing for w1980 and ad1431. A few months back, I had to run thru the 1976 WT issue by issue to find them; why were they deleted from the original Index? (Old light!) And (more puzzling): why are they now again to be found in the Index?
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  Scriptures about apostates/Christendom that ACTUALLY apply to the WT?

  by ithinkisee in

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  (matthew 23:13-15 nwt) 13 woe to you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites!

  because you shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in.

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  bennyk

  Second Thessalonians 2:3,4 (re: "man of lawlessness").
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 7-17-05 WT Study (Complete/Sacred Service

  by blondie in

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  i wonder what i am doing wrong posting this?

  i will try later..

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  bennyk

  Thanks, blondie!!!

  re: paragraph 13 (and everywhere else, too): Matt. 6:1 springs to mind. Is it possible that the Holy Spirit could appoint the clergy without a written report of FS hours? The Holy Spirit anoints without the approval of ten Christ-denying imposters in Brooklyn....

  re: paragraphs 10 & 16: although the WTS admits that no human can accurately judge another's motives, or even know them, it does appear that they will not let that deter them.

  Nice to see Ray's work re: sacred service once again; the WT index for 1930-1985 seems to be missing the citation for those articles. An oversight, no doubt....

  Love, ben
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  JW blackmailing

  by greendawn in

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  can you recall instances where your jw family or friends tried to blackmail you in one way or other to stay in the witchtower after you decided to leave it?

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  At a JW funeral at which a number of DF'd/DA'd individuals were present the speaker made the statement that "those of you who are not right with Jehovah will have to return to God's Organization -- or you'll NEVER see [name deleted] AGAIN!!!"

  What the ruddy rot?!?! The WTS is now holding our dead loved ones HOSTAGE?!?!
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 6-26-05 WT Study (Exercise Restraint)

  by blondie in

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  all, keeping himself restrained under evil.

  ''-2 timothy 2:24.

  elders yell at each other, at the ms, at their wife and children, at the rank and file, and at the co at times.

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  bennyk

  Dear blondie,

  Thanks for the very kind response. What hurt are: 1) the wound is VERY fresh (they were to have announced it yesterday evening -- I hadn't bothered to appeal it), 2) the witnesses brought forward included TWO very old "friends" --both of whom agree, in principle, with the statements for which they denounced me, 3) their repeated insistence that I am an "evil slave" doesn't make it so, and 4) it is a wee bit disheartening to experience the fact that reason and knowledge of the Scriptures appear to be NO match for authority.

  They did let me speak my piece (to everyone's credit, things remained calm); they did NOT refute my arguments, they simply did not address them. At the end of the day, all that mattered to anyone was my unwillingness to worship the WTS.

  At least I did hold the moral high-ground, and did NOT denounce the traitorous former friends: it may very well be that they feel worse about this entire affair than do I. And who knows what seeds were planted? Thanks much for letting me vent. Good weekend, everybody!!!

  Love, ben (of the things-look-a -whole-lot-brighter-today class )
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 6-26-05 WT Study (Exercise Restraint)

  by blondie in

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  all, keeping himself restrained under evil.

  ''-2 timothy 2:24.

  elders yell at each other, at the ms, at their wife and children, at the rank and file, and at the co at times.

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  bennyk

  Great stuff, blondie!!

  How I wish I had still been receiving the WT's ("pearls of wisdom")! If only I could have read paragraph 11 to my inquisitors! (And thereupon kept my mouth shut: I suffer chronic foot-IN-mouth disease!) Perhaps the Lads would not have found me "guilty of apostasy", despite those who came forward to denounce me.

  Well, at least they didn't try me in absentia. At least I found out who my enemies are....

  ben (of the still-feeling-somewhat-sorry-for-myself class)
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  Can disfellowshipping a person be harmful to their spirituality?

  by JH in

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  the jw org wants us to be almost perfect.

  the slightest fault that we do, we are treated as if we are entirely bad, then we get df'd.. it's an "all or nothing" way of thinking that can be spiritually dangerous.. example: if a jw is caught smoking, and becomes df'd because of this, that person may feel free to do even worse sins, because they can't be more df'd than they are right now.

  so disfellowshipping a person for something as small as smoking or playing lotto, can be counter productive for the sinner.. it's like puting a person in jail for a petty crime.

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  bennyk

  So far, my spirituality has not been harmed by my recent disfellowshiping.

  But I do find it somewhat depressing that so many people with whom I worked so long could be such traitorous swine....

  ben (of the I-feel-somewhat-sorry-for-me-today class)