Although ISoCF is the more interesting of the two books (IMHO), it may be better to start w/ CoC because a JW may be unwilling to tackle a number of the doctrinal errors discussed in ISoCF. Crisis of Conscience lays the groundwork for the sequel by demolishing the most important WTS doctrine: the concept that the Governing Body speaks for God.
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CoC or ISoCF
by TheListener inwhich of ray's books would you recommend someone read first.
coc does a great job of explaining ray's situation and the results.
while covering some major doctrines along the way.
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bennyk
Oliver RAY? Is the Ray for our friend Raymond Franz?
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How Do JWs Misapply The Scriptures???
by minimus indid you know that all these hurricanes and tsunamis are a "sign" that we're in "the time of the end"?
almost anything that happens is "proof" that we're "living in the last days".
when george bush sr. talked about a "new world order", in the 80's, that too was a "sign".
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bennyk
How about: Jesus "said to them: It does not belong to YOU to get knowledge of the times or seasons which the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction". (Acts 1:7)
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How can we know there is a God?
by defd inone way to determine whether there is a god is to apply this well-established principle: what is made requires a maker.
the more complicated the thing made, the more capable the maker must be.. for example, look around your home.
tables, chairs, desks, beds, pots, pans, plates, and other eating utensils all require a maker, as do walls, floors, and ceilings.
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bennyk
What I find fascinating about defd's recent posts is that he admits that he believes God speaks to us thru His Son and thru the Bible with nary a claim of His speaking to us thru a Brooklyn-based publishing company. Defd, you're making terrific progress!
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pathetic
by schne_belly inisnt this just pathetic.
i work for my father (a current jw) and we have some jw customers.
since my recent fading, one particular customer, an elder, has come into work for business and then carried it further to encouraging me offering a hearing ear etc.
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bennyk
Tell him you have some concerns and have discussed them with an anointed Brother who told you that you should not discuss those concerns with anyone "spiritually weak", since such discussion could completely demolish the faith of anyone not exceptionally robust in the Faith. .
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The Anointed, the Numbers and the GB
by thinker inhave you ever considered the anointed, the number of partakers at the memorial and the governing body together?
if you examine the number of partakers you can clearly see that sometimes the numbers increase.
i asked some jws about this and their reply was, "those are replacements for unfaithful ones".
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bennyk
Methinks most Witnesses would claim that although Raymond Franz was an anointed Christian before and during his stint with the Governing Body, when he "apostasized" and was disfellowshipped, he lost that "anointing", became a member of the "Evil Slave" class, and was to be replaced. However, the replacement of an "unfaithful, formerly anointed" individual need not be immediate, but rather, take place after the passage of some time (perhaps several years). Thus, the number of recognized anointed members of the "Remnant" will fall both because of death AND upon their defection from the "one, true Faith" []. Accordingly, it could be (but need not appear as) a one-for-one replacement because the cumulative defection of not-yet-replaced Evil Slaves could take place over several years, followed by a total replacement in a SINGLE year. If the number of recognized replacements exceeds the number of those who have died faithful since the previous Memorial, the total number of "anointed" will appear to increase. Of course, such an explanation is necessary only if the number 144 000 be literal.
BTW, supposedly my own crown is up for grabs; when will I be replaced?
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12 COUNTS on DIRTY OLD (80) JW !!
by DannyHaszard incourt told of child abuse claims
w. east anglian daily times, uk - 3 hours ago.
an 80-year-old jehovah's witness lured young girls to run wild at his luxury house where he abused them, a court heard yesterday.
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bennyk
Buttlight,
I know your Sister-in-Law. She's as blind as the rest there and this story won't prove a thing to her -- except possibly that the filthy, God-defying media can't be trusted to get the story right, and is a tool used by Satan to slander members of the "one, true Faith".... Sorry.
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Okay, I got a Kingdom Interlinear Translation Bible.... Now what?
by hubert inwell, i was going to add to this, but hit the wrong button.
(duh)
so, how do i find nwt comparisons that are not exact changes in it?
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bennyk
re: John 8:58:
One might also compare John 9:9, in both the Greek and the translation....
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Does anyone who Left Jehovahs Organization, still......
by defd inread the bible daily?
honestly do you?
or is it collecting dust on a table or shelf somewhere?
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bennyk
I did read - and still do - read the Bible daily. It was this practice that caused me to leave the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.
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What's the big deal about a Circuit Overseer visit?
by jaffacake inaccording to the son of my newly baptised jw friends, they re-decorating their house for a visit and 'inspection' by the circuit overseer.
can anyone explain what the circuit overseer's visit is all about?
does he or she normally visit the homes of people in the congregation?
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bennyk
Heh. The last time the CO came to visit, I denounced the Presiding Overseer and his Sidekick. So (just maybe) the CO visit is an opportunity to 'clean house'.