Posts by bennyk

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Elders are after me--PART 2

by love2Bworldly in

ok--i have decided i do want to answer the door when the elders return.

i won't let them speak at all, i am going to hold up my hand and tell them to let me have my say.

i am planning to say the following, and i'm trying to keep it very simple and to the point:.

bennyk

Tell them you annulled your baptism seven years ago, and thus are not under their suzerainty...

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Flaws in jw religion

by adam1989 in

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friends

hi there been reading this forum for a few weeks and this is my first post.

i recently came into contact with a person who is a jw and although we respect each others religion she has recently started preching that the end is near and how much we should hate this current system.

we talk about the jw religion and she accepts my views when i question what she believes.

bennyk

Oh, the "End is near", is it?!?!

I've heard that "Deliverance is at hand!" Over and over again: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/118225/1.ashx

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1914, 607 and why the details don't mean as much as the bigger picture

by drew sagan in

i wrote this just because i recently saw some people on another site trying to defend the 607 date.

this is mostly for lurkers, those who still may be hodling onto the idea that there is truth in this date.

probably one of the most talked about wt doctrines is that of 1914 and the 'gentile times'.

bennyk

Most notably, since the bible students believed that Jesus had already arrived in 1874, they were not even ready for his arrival in 1914, so whilst Christendom was awaiting his return, bible students would not have been paying attention to his arrival. In fact, since they didn't teach Jesus' parousia happened till 1943, Russell and Rutherford would have been completely unaware that Jesus' didn't arrive till 1914, believing it had happened 40 years earlier.

Yep. And the Greatest Man book states (chapters 131 and/or 132) that when Jesus arrived in 1914, only his true disciples saw it. So I guess that "proves" that the Bible Students (later called JW's) were not his true disciples. The Society continued to teach that the Second Parousia began in 1874 until at least 1929 (Prophecy book).

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Has the number of 144,000 changed?

by TooBad TooSad in

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friends

through out my witness life i have always believed that when the partakers at memorial went up that means.

that some of the anoited were unfaithful and had to be replaced.

i have beleived this for 40 years.

bennyk

The following is a plausible explanation. Disclaimer: I do not believe the number of anointed is 144 000.

The replacement of an "unfaithful, formerly anointed" individual need not be immediate, but rather, is said to take place after the death of the individual. Thus, the number of recognized anointed members of the "Remnant" will fall both because of deaths of faithful Anointed AND the defection of unfaithful Anointed from the Watch Tower Society. Accordingly, it could be (but need not appear as) a one-for-one replacement because the cumulative defection of not-yet-replaced Evil Slaves would take place over several years, and could be followed by a total replacement in a SINGLE year. If the number of recognized replacements exceeds the number of those who have died faithful since the previous Memorial, the total number of "anointed" will appear to increase. (Of course, such an explanation is necessary only if the number 144 000 be literal.)

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Caught in the headlights

by Honesty in

i recently asked a jw to explain the discrepancies in the following scriptures between 1 corinthians 10:3-4 and 1 corinthians 10:9 in their new world translation:.

first i presented the scripture as it is rendered in another modern day translation, as it is rendered in the original greek and as it is rendered in the latin vulgate:.

1 corinthians 10:3-4 they all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink.

bennyk

This discrepancy is the result of the differences in the Greek texts. The Nestle-Aland text reads Criston with P46 D F G Y M latt sy co; the NWT translator(s) used the Westcott-Hort text, which here reads kurion with (Aleph) B C P 33. 104. 326. 365. 1175. 2464 pc sy(hmg). Then, of course, Freddy translated "Lord" as "Jehovah".

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The New World Translation is a Mess

by Amazing in

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the new world translation (nwt) contains thousands of serious errors.

the following regarding john 1:1, one of the most noteworthy verses to jehovah's witness and ex-jehovah's witnesses alike, provides a case example of how and why the nwt cannot be trusted.

there some few scholars that translate the word was "a god" or "a god" or "divine" but they are in the very low percentages.. in greek john 1:1 says: "en arche en ho logos, kai ho logos en pros ton theon, kai theos en ho logos.

bennyk

Vaughan and Gideon's Greek Grammar states (p.79): "An example of the qualitative or characterizing significance of the anarthrous noun is theos in John 1:1." (p.84) [re:John 1:1] "Had the article been used with theos, the suggestion would have been that the Word is identical with the entire essence of the Deity. As it actually stands, theos (without the article) is the predicate, and it is the nature and attributes of Deity that are ascribed to the Word. That is to say, it is the nature of the Word, not the identity of his Person, to which attention is called by the absence of the article."

(To those who would argue that Colwell's "rule" precludes a definite article in the predicate nominative preceding the subject, please see John 15:1b and consider that Greek MS Codex L has a definite article in the predicate nominative at John 1:1c.)

The Zuercher Bibel and Hermann Menge's translation (both German language) have a footnote at John 1:1 noting that the statement signifies that the Word was "goettlichen Wesens" (of the divine essence or nature).

I would be inclined to translate John 1:1bc "and the Word was with God, and the Word was god" because "God" (the definite theos) is construed in English as a proper noun, whereas "god" (the anarthrous theos) is not. (Of course, this is not distinctive when read orally.)

David Bercot (I believe it was he) gave an illustrative parallel using the Hebrew word adam as a proper name (Adam) and qualitatively (adam = human) to illustrate this:

"In the Beginning was Eve, and Eve was with Adam, and Eve was adam (i.e. human)"

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Talk on Apostates

by IslandBrother in

have you ever walked on the beach and tried following another persons footprints; matching your own steps with them as exactly as possible?

by calling ourselves christians, we have indicated our desire to do just that, to follow closely in the footsteps of christ.

have you ever noticed though that on a crowded beach, , there were several sets of footprints, many of them may look alike.

bennyk

Korah attempted to usurp the position of the Mediator of the Law Covenant. The Governing Body is attempting to usurp the position of the Mediator of the New Covenant. The Governing Body is the modern-day (anti-typical ) Korah...

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2008 Changes to the Watchtowers

by Inquisitor in

i don't know if someone else has already posted about this.

i tried looking a page or two back in this section, but didn't find any thread on this news.

if someone has, pls add the link in this thread.. no, the watchtowers aren't gonna be monthly like the awake, but apparently the w mags will be designed in this way:.

bennyk

Not sure how they can pull this off since they still need material for 53 Watchtower studies on sundays. If the only CrapTowers with studies are now monthly,
and from what I recall their are a maximum of 3 "study" articles per magazine, they come up short. Theres no way they will cut an hour from Sundays.

Actually, this is how the "monthly" editions of the Watchtower have operated for years: They contain all the study articles from both semi-monthly issues and only a minimum of other articles...

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Why Can You See Through the Watchtower While Others Cannot?

by The wanderer in

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friends

why can you see through the watchtower while others cannot?

compared with the six million jehovahs witnesses worldwide the .

so-called apostates are comparatively much smaller.

bennyk

1) It is a very human response for one to "throw good money after bad."

2) Mind control is more detrimental than brainwashing. A brain-washed individual may eventually become capable of independant thought after exiting the intensive indoctrination because the controller is no longer present; mind-control precludes independent thought because the victim BECOMES the censor of his own thoughts.

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Purchasing Zions Watchtower

by concerbedbf in

is it possible to purchase/obtain (zion's watch tower) reprints or bound volumes, from a source that a jw could not object to.

the reason i ask is, i showd gf the article on freeminds "blacks and the watchtower".

she was appaled and of course argued that these were not really written by russel or any jw (in good standing).

bennyk

The Reprints can be purchased as bound volumes (July 1879 - December 1916 only, twelve volumes) from the Chicago Bible Students for $100 + Shipping/Handling. However, because the Bible Students are viewed as the "Evil Slave Class" this may not be such a viable option. Nevertheless: http://www.chicagobible.org/LDSOrderForm-Brethren.PDF