Posts by bennyk

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Theotis French & Ray Franz's Disfellowshipping

by snowbird in

in coc, he is reported to have said, (quoting from memory, so i may be a little off) "we didn't come here to have you teach us, brother franz.

" from that remark, i gather he chaired the judicial committee?.

given his first name, i assume he's black.

bennyk

And "MAYBE" Fred Franz intended for Ray to feel humiliated that he was being "offed" by the "Other Sheep." (contrast Deut. 17:15b)

No; I don't buy your idea, Sylvia.

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in another thread the question of whether or not the wt$ would "outright lie" was raised.. i happen to believe that they would in a heartbeat, although i agree that their preference is for sneaky misleading statements as opposed to outright lies.

regardless, here's a short list of some of what i consider incontrovertible evidence that yes, the wt$ would outright lie.. .

consider the following statements printed in the wt magazine:.

bennyk

Stirring up increasing interest in them, Jehovah caused to be preached from 1918 onward the startling public message “Millions Now Living Will Never Die,” and in 1923 he provided the interpretation of “the parable of the sheep and the goats.”

-- Watchtower, Nov. 15, 1955, p. 698 § 36

(And yet Rutherford said he 'made an ass of himself' regarding that 1925 business...)

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The fine art of refusing a Shepherding Call

by Open mind in

i'm pretty sure the forseeable future will include numerous attempts to "shepherd" my family.

my elder status is either already gone or soon to be gone.. .

does anyone know of specific rules when it comes to refusing a shepherding call?

bennyk

"Concerned" Elders once stopped by to berate my wife regarding the clinical depression with which she was suffering. I escorted them to the door.

Several months later, the PO interrupted a conversation I was having with one of the congregation members and asked when my wife and I would appreciate another shepherding call. I told him: "We won't be having one." He shuffled his feet and stated that he and another Elder wished to have a shepherding call with us. I told him: "Yes, I understood you. We'll not be having a 'shepherding call.'" To this he reponded that "the Society says we have to do this to encourage you..." After a considerable pause, I replied: "Exactly. 'To encourage us.' And that's why we won't be having one." He wandered away...

No "fallout." I denounced the PO and his sidekick when the CO made his next appearance. They never asked again.

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Need help disproving 607BCE

by 2pink in

i hope i am posting in the right board.. anyway, i am newly out of the org, and have a dear friend who i've been speaking to all along about my thought process/decisions.

she has been hesitantly receptive (how's that for confusing?!

lol) and when i brought up 607bce to her yesterday, she was truly intrigued and had not heard of this as a false date before.. she is still half in/half out, so i know she isn't going to do a lot of naughty independent research on her own.

bennyk

In actuality, it is not necessary to disprove 607 in order to disprove 1914.

The Watch Tower Society has already disproved 1914 in its own published mat eri als.

Suppose that A.D. 1915 should pass with the

world's affairs all serene and with evidence that the

"very elect" had not all been "changed" and without

the restoration of natural Israel to favor under the

New Covenant. (Rom. 11:12,15.) What then?

Would not that prove our chronology wrong? Yes,

surely! And would not that prove a keen

disappointment? Indeed it would! It would work

irreparable wreck to the Parallel dispensations

and Israel's Double, and to the Jubilee calculations,

and to the prophecy of the 2300 days of Daniel, and

to the epoch called "Gentile Times," ...

(Watch Tower, Dec. 15, 1913 Reprints p. 5368)

And what would this 'irreparable wreck to the epoch called "Gentile Times"' mean? Why does the Watch Tower Society so desperately defend their erroneous chronology?

It is not necessary to show how if a change of 19

years were made in the chronology the time from

Jacob to Jesus would become shortened from 1815

to 1826 years, and the entire system of dates based

on the "Jewish parallels" would collapse; how the

jubilee system dates would fall out of place from its

present symmetry: how the 2520-year parallels

would disappear; how the entire system of dates

would be scattered; how there could he no

foundation for faith in the resulting chronological

jumble; and how there could be no sound reason for

believing in the presence of the Lord, the place and

work of Pastor Russell, the end of the age, the

harvest work, or in any of the literature published by

the Society.

(Watch Tower, June 15, 1922 p. 187)

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Our Kingdom Ministry 2009 tells sick & infirm NOT to view telephone hook-up as convenient alternative to being personally present at KH!

by LUKEWARM in

i am feeling sick after reading the question box - it's so cold and unfeeling toward those who use the telephone to listen to congregation meetings.. .

the wts desire to control their weakest members - the infirm and chronically ill - by guilting them into "putting forth the effort to be personally present " at the kingdom hall is disgusting.. .

they are heartless bastards.... ________________________________________.

bennyk

Blondie stated:

the elders in this area control the password. They change it frequently. Even if you have the phone number, you can't access the meeting without the password. You can't get the password unless you go to an elder to get it. You can't get the password unless the elder judges that your situation warrants it. And you have to do this for every meeting. It is proving to be quite an irritant for older jws and the family that help them. The older jw has to make the request directly, their adult jw children cannot do it for them.

This could increase rather than restrict the possibilities for fading...

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Post one PICTURE that sums up your Watchtower experience so far . . .

by nicolaou in

jw
friends

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i started a topic like this about 4 years ago but, as you'd expect, most of the images no longer show so here we go again .

.

bennyk

"I'm outta here"

(No longer a victim of a repressive regime.)

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Other Sheep will start taking the emblems.

by hamsterbait in

was at the kingdumb hell yesterday after a gap.. paragraph 11 planted the seed in the sheeples' heads for this.. remember last weeks study, where martha was quoted as saying: "i know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.

" (jo 11: 24) the term "last day" was explained as applying to the millennium, in the same way as "judgment day" for those receiving an earthly resurrection.. now for paragraph 11 - i noticed some bemused faces, as usually john 6 is avoided in articles discussing earthly resurrection:.

" "the bread that i shall give is my flesh," he said.

bennyk

Of course, Witnesses in general (and the Society especially) have short (or at least very selective) memories. Still, there is that troublesome statement from the Watchtower of March(?) 1985 -- something to the effect that 'one goes on record as to one's hope by partaking or not partaking.' When I first started partaking, because I didn't want the very unwelcome attention it would cause, I had actually thought about attending the KH and not partaking there and then returning home to partake. (Incidentally, I do know a number of individuals who have done just that.) But because of that 1985 published doctrine, I did not...

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TOP 10 DOOMSDAY CULTS!

by sacolton in

http://ty.rannosaur.us/10-doomsday-cults/.

3. the jehovahs witnessesin 1875, charles taze russell, the son of a wealthy haberdasher, used his wealth to inform as many people as possible that the armageddon would take place in 1878.

1878 passed without a blip but russell was unphased: he simply created an organization which transformed into thejehovahs witnesses and issued another date.

bennyk

Russell taught that Jesus had secretly been enthroned in heaven in 1914 and will return after the Armageddon, which only Jehovah’s Witnesses will survive. After ruling for 1,000 years, Jesus will return to heaven with the most righteous 144,000 souls.

No. Russell did not teach these things. He had different false beliefs.

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The struggle against the immediae danger from false teachers

by mrsjones5 in

jw
friends

golly, i feel like a householder.

you're counting time here, aren't ya?

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bennyk

I looked into the UN thing, no link to Jehovah's people.

That is true enough. The Watch Tower Society has nothing to do with "Jehovah's people."

This is the only group of people who have seperated themselves from this world.

Spoken like a true Amishman.

It is true we did not have full light in the past, but we have progressed into the light Jesus is showings us.

Don't blame Jesus for what is published in the Watchtower.

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Elder Book: Don't DF JWs who talk to DFed family. Usually. Your take?

by Open mind in

if you've been reading here for long, this won't come as news to you.. i don't have my elder book with me right now, but here's the gist of what it says about what the elders should do when they find out a jw talked to a dfed family member.. 'generally, disfellowshiping is not necessary when a congregation member speaks to a close relative who is dfed.

provided there is no condoning or justifying of the wrong course.'.

that is a paraphrase, but i'm pretty sure that "justifying of the wrong course" is close to verbatim.. two questions:.

bennyk

Normally, a close relative would not be disfellowshipped
for associating with a disfellowshipped person unless there
is spiritual association or an effort made to justify or
excuse the wrongful course.

The weasel-word here is "normally", which creates a huge loophole permitting especially agressive Elders to ignore page 103.