Posts by bennyk

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One upsmanship...

by hartstrings in

when i was a regular attender, most of my jw "friends" were pioneers because that is who we spent our days with, lol.

well, it always annoyed the crap out of me when the pioneers would act like they were so special when they were able to get a new publication prior to its arrival at the local kh.

they were basically bragging about their connections.

Instead of grabbing and reading the new releases immediately, I often waited until they became available in my other language and then ordered them. Some asked us about this and were informed that if anything really important were to be found in the new release, we could rely on a third party to let us know; anyway, we already had a Bible or two, and so would manage, spiritually. Perhaps my lack of enthusiasm re: WTS publications was a "red flag" (?)

Instead of pioneering and wasting vacation time attending Pioneer School (adding insult to injury), I obtained the book from an e-friend with connections. (Dodged a bullet, there; no extra 900+ FS hours!!!! )

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Sitting in the parking lot reading Gentile Times Reconsidered when ...

by ithinkisee in

a "sister" from a neighboring hall started walking up to my window with her bible and the magazines.. i didn't know who she was, but i said "oh shit!

" and dropped the book.

she came up and i did the friendly "hahah .

bennyk

Goldminer: the GTR book COMPLETELY demolishes the 1914 doctrine.

(Of course, the WTS' own "Let Your Kingdom Come" will do that, too...)

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Where was J.F. Rutherford burried?

by Stealth in

i have heard speculation that he could be burried in san diego at beth sarim or somewhere on statin island ny.

why is this such a big secret to the wt?

is there anyone still alive who knows where rutherford was burried?.

bennyk

Oh, no!!!

Nobody even told me he was sick!!!!!!!

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The book Crisis of Conscience

by Jim Dee in

jw
friends

i've just finished reading this book

i was brought up in the society, seen the elder arrangement brought in, seen changes and in fighting - and finally sttof down as a snr circuit elder in england because of the abuse issue and the society covering up.

i have also the seen the society flee and cya because of the data protection act in the uk.

bennyk

Bitter?

That's not the Ray I know.

About the only thing in CoC that suggested a bitter aftertaste was his statement re: Wes Benner's "I parrot the Governing Body". (not a quote) "I have never considered being a parrot an achievement of any merit" (!)

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What is the oldest witness publication you actually remember?

by AK - Jeff in

not just one you have seen - or even researched since leaving.

but the oldest one you recall studying when you 'got the truth' or as a child?.

i remember "let god be true" - 'babylon the great has fallen'- and 'paradise restored - paradise regained' [the big orangish/pink book - hope i got the name right] - all 50's early 60's books.

bennyk

"Paradise Lost" (scary for children) and the HUGE "Babylon" book (boring for EVERYBODY).

(steve2: "Jehovah" was published in 1934)

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YHWH...used by the Catholics....

by Golden Girl in

i was talking to my grown ex jw daughter the other day and we were discussing the new cathedral downtown.

the old one is still there but small.

i was telling her that the hebrew letters for "jehovah's name" is inscribed on the top of the cathedral.

bennyk

Actually, the Catholic New Jerusalem translation of the Bible has the name "Yahweh" in it thousands of times (if memory serves).

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144,000 going to heaven, based on what??

by truth_about_the_truth in

let's face it, most jw's believe that there is clear biblical evidence that shows that only 144k will go to heaven and rule as kings during the 1000 yr reign.

when examining this topic without the aid of anything but the bible itself, it paints quite a different picture.

you would need to make some blind assumptions to come to the wt conclusion regarding this topic.. jws take it for granted this scripture rev.

bennyk

The 1995 WT refutes their own WTS doctrine re: only 144 000 going to heaven.

wt95 08/01 page 11 paragraph 8:

8 When Israel rejected and killed His Son, Jesus Christ, God finally rejected her. So no longer was that Jewish nation a figurative wife to Him, nor was He the Father and Teacher of her wayward sons. (Matt. 23: 37,38) However, Israel was only a typical, or symbolic, wife. The apostle Paul quoted Isaiah 54: 1, which speaks of a "barren woman" who is different and distinct from "the woman with the husbandly owner," the nation of natural Israel. Paul reveals that anointed Christians are children of the "barren woman," whom he calls "Jerusalem above." This antitypical figurative woman consists of God's heavenly organization of spirit creatures. -- Galatians 4: 26,27. (end of quote).

The scripture thus indicates (using the WTS' own interpretation of the 'women') that the number of anointed Christians exceeds that of fleshly Israel. The cumulative number of natural Israelites between the Exodus and the coming of Christ Jesus was in the many tens of millions; therefore, many more than 144 000 are spirit-anointed Christians.

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More on dates........

by jula71 in

"but now we are in the end of this gospel age, and the kingdom is being established or set up.

our lord, the appointed king, is now present, since october 1874, a.d., according to the testimony of the prophets, to those who have ears to hear; and the formal inauguration of his kingly office dates from april 1878 a.d." (studies in the scriptures, vol.

4, page 621)

bennyk

They would just ignore it as "old light". Most of them, anyway...

The above is based on the fact that most ignored 1975 as "old light" (even in 1980!).

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JOB's children celebrating birthdays

by eye 23 in

can anyone give me their view on why the bible says that after job's children celebrated 'their day' he went out and made sacrafices to god in case they had sinned and cursed god in their hearts ?.

the first part is a great talking part especially regarding job being a rightous man but the latter tends to counter act it some how by impling that job thoughts were that birthdays were wrong, in gods eyes.

especially as he did this after every birthday, so i can't really debate that it was one off event that might have encured some wrong doing at one particular party........if you understand what i mean.. thanks for any iput.

bennyk

If the celebration of birthdays is wrong BECAUSE in the scriptural accounts ONE person died at each of two such celebrations, would it not be forbidden to give (wedding) presents???

(1 Kings 9:16NWT: "(Pharaoh the king of Egypt himself had come up and then captured Ge'zer and burned it with fire, and the Ca'naanites dwelling in the city he had killed. So he gave it as a parting gift to his daughter, the wife of Solomon.)")

"New Light"!!!

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Do Jehovah Witnesses Believe in the Trinity?

by researcher1 in

hello, my name is brian jackson.

i am a seventh-day adventist and i am doing a bible project for my 11th grade religion class and i chose the topic of the trinity and decided to compare that of the seventh-day adventist teachings with that of your teachings.. what do you believe about the trinity?.

also, a little off the topic, but why don't you believe in having an american flag in your sanctuary?.

bennyk

Actually, the JW's are descended from the SECOND ADVENTIST movement, NOT from the Seventh-Day Adventists. The SDA has its origins in the Second Adventist movement also; one might say the JW's and SDA's are 'cousins'. (No offense, AshtonCA)