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Another Crisis of Conscience Thread... :)
by jeanniebeanz in.
just got my copy of crisis of conscience.
*puts on vivaldi, finds eyeglasses, sits down with a fresh cup of coffee, buckles seatbelt, opens book* introduction...... (see you guys in a couple days...).
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How Do I Tell My Mom
by Moridin inrecently i got engaged.
the problem is we are going to have a pagan wedding according to our beliefs.
my mother, a devout jw, already knows that we are getting married so i can't not invite her to the wedding.
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adelmaal
Think about it. Do JWs warn you about their wedding practices prior to your going? No... So why should you be required to warn your mom. This is your day. She either wants to be a part of it or does not.
I say, "Invite her and leave it at that."
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Kill the Kid, Now That's Justice! (WT 5/15/05 QFR)
by ezekiel3 inthis in it's entirety from the watchtower may 15, 2005, page 31. you might find the reasoning a bit hollow.
questions from readers.
why were david and bath-sheba not put to death for committing adultery, whereas their newborn son died?.
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adelmaal
sad_and_lonely:
I agree it is not the JWs that killed the newborn child but they do justify God's actions in doing so. They condone the belief that children should be killed as a result of their parents' sins. If they agree with the belief and they defend the belief then they can be held accountable for their views.
though the other religions don't get picked on
As for the above comment you made... C'mon now. You really need to come out from under the "only JWs receive persecution" rock you are living under. We are all held accountable for our beliefs, including other religions outside the JW organization. The JWs bash every other religion and person under the sun that is not affiliated with the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society! They can dish it out without any consideration to the feelings of others outside their cult so they should be able to take it ten fold in my opinion.
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adelmaal
I hope all is ok with you. When I was df'd it was definitely like going through a divorce. It was the one time I ended up with a really bad ulcer - literally. I couldn't even eat or drink until it was treated.
If you come back and view these responses you will see there is love here and in the world. Read CRISIS OF CONSCIENCE by Brother Ray Franz. You will see it is not so bad being out. It can give you a refreshing life view. The book really brings out the fact that not only are the JWs just another manmade religion but they are also accountable for much pain, suffering and drama among those who have been brothers and sisters. They do not make apologies for their transgressions, which have affected millions of families greatly! Remember that men (the elders) have judged you and not God. It gets better one day at a time. I hope you read the above book and are able to avoid the pain of going back and suffering further.
I eventually got reinstated only to find I was very lonely and felt like an outsider. People continued to judge me. I eventually faded and have been out for 6 or so years. Leaving that religion has been the best thing that ever happened to me and my family! We are so much happier now and my relationship with God is much or loving, much more merciful and much less stressful now...
(((HUGS)))
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Family ,what would you do
by kls ini am going to try and explain this with out dragging this on so here goes, i am the youngest of four sibblings,i have a older brother which i never see and two older sisters.
i am close to my sister that is close in age to me but have a sister that is about ten years older.
when i was a teen my dad killed himself and the mother was a 24 hr mean drunk who after my dads death was committed to a nut ward.
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adelmaal
It sounds to me you are in need of closure. If for nothing else but yourself. Do what you need to do now, while you still can, to get the closure you are desiring. It's not like you can't go and tell her how you feel about what she did or did not do to you and your other sister. If you need to forgive her you can do that as well (forgiving does not necessarily need to mean forgetting). Go and have a conversation with her. Get it out so you can move on.
While it's awful what happened, it sounds like she was somewhat a product of her upbringing. Definitely not a valid excuse for the mistreatment of others though. I am glad you have been able to move ahead and become a good person in spite of your upbringing. It sounds as though your sister was not as strong as you were.
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Kill the Kid, Now That's Justice! (WT 5/15/05 QFR)
by ezekiel3 inthis in it's entirety from the watchtower may 15, 2005, page 31. you might find the reasoning a bit hollow.
questions from readers.
why were david and bath-sheba not put to death for committing adultery, whereas their newborn son died?.
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adelmaal
Great commentary in the right margin on these scriptures below; makes the whole situation sound even worse! Do you think maybe not all scripture is inspired of God? Could that be it? Drama!
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My sister is down and out...
by DanTheMan inalmost 15 years ago my sister gave birth to a son, and, feeling that it was the right thing to do, married the boy's father even though she had little in common with him.
the marriage lasted for about 3 or 4 years, was full of drama, and came to an inglorious and bitter end.
they worked out a joint custody arrangement where my sister had the more parental responsibilities of seeing to his education, but his dad still got to see him a good bit of the time.
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adelmaal
It's a good thing she has you to show her just how controlling cults can be. It's certainly real and the reality of it is her son could choose that religion over his own flesh and blood.
The dad going into a new religion definitely gives her grounds to bring a modification to the custody/visitation order. It is considered a "change in circumstances", which in California constitutes grounds for revisiting custody. Don't know if it's the same in your area.
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My sister is down and out...
by DanTheMan inalmost 15 years ago my sister gave birth to a son, and, feeling that it was the right thing to do, married the boy's father even though she had little in common with him.
the marriage lasted for about 3 or 4 years, was full of drama, and came to an inglorious and bitter end.
they worked out a joint custody arrangement where my sister had the more parental responsibilities of seeing to his education, but his dad still got to see him a good bit of the time.
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adelmaal
churchy white evangelical borg christians
Must be different out here cause none of the right-wingers I know are like that...
Anywho... I don't know if the guy below could help her but he might be worth a call. It sounds like his dad's beliefs have similar harmful affects as those of JWs. Duane Magnani does not charge for consulation and he spoke with me at great length. He assists attorneys in all the various states with custody matters related to religion. If their beliefs serve to alienate your nephew not only from his mom but also from the rest of his extended family and society as a whole then the courts will take that into consideration. They want the child to be with the parent that encourages a healthy relationship with the other parent and it sounds to me like his dad is not doing that if the son is telling his mom he hates her.
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My sister is down and out...
by DanTheMan inalmost 15 years ago my sister gave birth to a son, and, feeling that it was the right thing to do, married the boy's father even though she had little in common with him.
the marriage lasted for about 3 or 4 years, was full of drama, and came to an inglorious and bitter end.
they worked out a joint custody arrangement where my sister had the more parental responsibilities of seeing to his education, but his dad still got to see him a good bit of the time.
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adelmaal
I am so sorry big dog. My heart aches for you, your nephew and your sister... In all seriousness, can she afford an attorney who can prove parental alienation before it's too late? Being the mom of a daughter who is being indoctrinated by her JW dad my tears, hugs and thoughts go out to her.
(((HUGS)))
I do remember my therapist telling me that she told her son he could come back once. He did eventually decide he wanted to go live with his dad and that lasted a few years. She said she was heart broken but he always knew he could come back if he wanted to (but only once). He did eventually come back and stayed for good until he finally moved out. Hopefully, your sister will be able to protect him as long as she can and then let him go knowing that she loves him and he can come back if he chooses.
Side Note: I am Republican BTW and don't know why you added that tidbit Ouch!
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Hi Guys and Gals
by The Chuckler injust a quick hello.
i've been lurking for ages and thought it about time i put my fo'penneth in.
i was raised a dubby but fell away when 18. never felt it was the truth, maybe it was just me who isn't religious.
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adelmaal
Welcome to the board. Here's to being normal - LOL
We are glad to have you here and congrats on your coming out