Posts by kazar

one thing i haven't been able to successfully find or understand is how other major religions feel about the end of the system or the final judgement from god.. i've seen the left behind series.

do protestants in general feel that there will be a literal earth with people on it?.

do catholics believe that human spirits will be united with their physical bodies after the final judgement?.

Good post, Jaffacake. It is reasonable to conclude that none of us on earth knows with certainty what happens after death. It's interesting that you have experience with Seventh Day Adventists. My best friend is a Seventh Day Adventist and there are times I have difficulty being around her because she becomes "preachy". It is reminiscent of what Jehovah's Witnesses believe. She has witnessed my departure from the Witnesses and as of now my very near agnostism or atheisim. She is a really good person and I love her and I never want to be unkind, so I try to listen to her as much as I can.

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Any commonality with dubs who join as adults?

by Check_Your_Premises in

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i know many women who joined as adults who were victims of physical abuse or some sort of sexual assault.

i know many men who join because their wives do.. i think generally to join the dubs as an adult, you have to be looking for some sort of security.

the world probably hasn't been very nice to you.

kazar

I agree with you CYP. Speaking for myself, I came from a dysfunctional and broken home. Married at 15, two children by 17 years of age. It was at 17 that I converted. I was more mature than most 17 year olds but I was naive. I had also abandoned Catholicism years before and was looking for a sure thing. I thought I found it with Jehovah's Witnesses. The other Witnesses I was friends with converted as adults and had similar backgrounds.

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Other religious viewpoints about paradise

by TheListener in

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one thing i haven't been able to successfully find or understand is how other major religions feel about the end of the system or the final judgement from god.. i've seen the left behind series.

do protestants in general feel that there will be a literal earth with people on it?.

do catholics believe that human spirits will be united with their physical bodies after the final judgement?.

kazar

Catholics believe in an immortal soul that after death continues life either in heaven, hell, purgatory or limbo and is never reunited with the body but is able to experience emotions, pain and pleasure as the body did.

The only Protestant religion I know that believes in a ressurection of the body in a paradise earth besides Jehovah's Witnesses is Seventh Day Adventists.

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Why do you come to JWD?

by jeanniebeanz in

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kazar

JWD was the straw that "broke the camel's back for me." I was trying to get free of the beliefs and I just couldn't do it myself. I could not believe there were people who experienced the same things I did. I truly felt like a pariah. After lurking a few months I jumped on board. It was liberating to read the posts, the various links and information here. There is no one else I can speak to for help, not even my family. A person had to have been in the same shoes to know what it's like, and to be able to fight back with facts about WTBS. I never had to explain theological tenets to anyone here. You all know them. It saves energy not having to explain. I love the discussions we have here even when there is disagreement. The disagreements may be topics, or personal discrepancies, but never, never, do we argue about the WBTS's impact on our lives.

I have much gratitude to all here.

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who escapes more often, those born into it or adult converts?

by kid-A in

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what strikes me on this board is the number of adult converts that have left the borg, either fading out or getting df'd.

from my experience (i was born into it, 2nd generation, left before getting baptized) most of the faders or escapees were also like.

me, born into it, never really accepted it and just bowed out at the first opportunity.

kazar

I am an adult convert and no one else in my family is a JW. Of the Witnesses I know, only one other besides me escaped and she was a convert and a good friend to me. I agree that there has to be a crisis in someone's life to make a person put aside their critical thinking. The friend I am referring to converted a few days after her mother took her own life by hanging, and my friend was the one who found her. A few days later JW's rang her doorbell and she took it as a sign from God and converted. At any rate my friend actually escaped before I did. I held on much longer.

I was 17 when I met the Witnesses and converted soon after, so at 17 I really don't know if I would be considered an adult. I am surprised that so many on this forum were raised ias JW's. I was of the belief that those who left JW's were converts. This has been an interesting post. Learn something everyday.

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The Dying (and Dumb) Awake magazine (Aug 8 '05)

by metatron in

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well, yet another awake has arrived giving us all the chance to speculate that .

"jehovah's organization" may be getting "too stupid to live".. this month's jawdropper concerns the article "is astrology the key to your future?".

consider this negative appraisal of astrology:.

kazar

Jeaniebeanz, your description of the Awake magazine is just too accurate. I also used to read it several times thinking I had overlooked something deep.

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MUST READ AlanF's email to Knocking.org

by sf in

this is a must-read that, hopefully, will stay an "active topic" for all seekers and lurkers, by bumping it to the top as often as possible.

alan wrote it in randys {dogpatch} thread regarding knocking.org documentary and in reply to the email mr. engardio sent to barbara anderson.

however, it is so vital a read that it indeed needs its own thread:.

kazar

Thanks, Alan. Splendid letter.

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