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  Question Two

  by jaffacake in

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  question 2a

  whose witnesses must we be?

  question 2b .

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  jaffacake

  Question 2a
  Whose WITNESSES must we be?
  Question 2b Bearing WITNESS to which NAME inspires ALL prophesying? Answers a
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  (see Rev 19:10)
  b …………………………………………………………………….
  (see Rev 19:10)
  
  

  
  
  
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  Question One

  by jaffacake in

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  apologies for non-jws & non-christians, but this is a quiz for my newly baptised jw friends.

  any jw guinea pigs willing to try it out before i hand it over?

  the bible alone (ideally the nwt) should be used to test your answers.

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  jaffacake

  
  
  Apologies for non-JWs & non-Christians, but this is a quiz for my newly baptised JW friends. Any JW guinea pigs willing to try it out before I hand it over?
  

  
  
  

  The Bible alone (ideally the NWT) should be used to test your answers. Please try first to answer without the Bible, then check it later.

  Question1. Whose WITNESSES should we be throughout the whole world?

  Answer …………………………………………………………..(see Acts 1:8)
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  3 hour tour - my sd interrogation.

  by wordlywife in

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  my poor step-daughter went through what is called a jc meeting, 3 hours worth.

  they have given her a week to decide before they df her.

  she is only 18. gads.

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  jaffacake

  Jgnat

  The verses, frequently quoted by JW’s, suggest that being accepted by God is exclusive. That is, only a few will be found worthy. I was planning to prepare the flip side, God’s mercy, and His love for all.

  I've kept your texts thanks. Can I add to your theme of inclusiveness:

  1 Cor 15:22 "For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive". (Adam was not a historical individual but this just describes human nature)

  Romans 5:18 "just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life to all men.

  The letter to the Hebrews ch 11, lists examples of faith, none of whom are Christian,

  John's gospel seaks of "the true light that gives light to everyman."

  2 Peter 3:9 "is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."
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  named Unbaptized Publisher at the meeting last night...............

  by Buck in

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  last nite they announced i was an unbaptized publisher.

  everyone clapped and there was much congratulations from everyone after it was over.

  my girlfriend has never been happier.

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  jaffacake

  Have you ever wanted something so bad, you would do anything to get it or make sure you didnt lose it?

  Buck

  I do understand why you have done it. You do not love Jehovah or Christ, you love the girl. So you have joined for false reasons and the price you will have to pay is to live a lie.

  Defd said Jehovah will be happier than your girlfriend, and why would that be?
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  What would you ask for?

  by defd in

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  remember when god told solomon that what ever he asked for, he would give him?

  we know what solomon asked for.

  if god posed the same question for you, what would you ask for?.

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  jaffacake

  A good thread defd, and I appreciate your restraint in not rising to the bait, there were one or two little worms on hooks that you calmly swam past. I'm impressed!

  Now to your question...I need to think about it a while longer...
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  Are JW's Self-righteous?

  by Honesty in

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  a good friend who is a police officer told me last night that he believes a lot of the jw's he has met through the years in his line of work are extremely self-righteous.

  i didn't have much of a reply but it did get me thinking about what he said.

  so, what do you guys think?

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  jaffacake

  Honesty, yes this reminds me of an essay I saved - it applies to those who think it is possible to work for salvation, or earn salvation, which of course is anti-biblical. Sorry its a bit long. Let me know if anyone wants the full version. That is what I believe the Bible means by self righteous:

  So how can you, a sinner, stand justified before God?

  And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" And He said to him, "What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?" And he answered and said, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself." And He said to him, "You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live." (Luke 10:25-28, NASB)

  "Do this and you will live." Keep God's law perfectly, never sin, and always obey Him in everything with all of yourself. Your heart, soul, strength, and mind must be perfectly expended in obedient love to God and to your neighbor. No losing heart in time of trial. No weakness in work. No wandering thoughts leading to sin. Every fiber of your being expended in love for God and this perfectly. "Do this and you will live." This is the perfect and holy law of the perfect and holy God. But is this good news? Did the lawyer who answered the Lord rejoice in this? Did he go away feeling self-righteous, thinking that he certainly had a good standing before God? After all, he was trying his very best to obey these two great commandments.

  Note the next verse. (But wishing to justify himself, he said to Jesus, "and who is my neighbor?" John 10:29, NASB) Self-righteousness raises it's ugly head here. "Wishing to justify himself." But note, God's law is not based on "our best efforts" or "our good intentions" to keep it. You really, truly have to keep it! Perfectly! "Do this, and you will live." Not "Try to do this." Not "Give it your best shot." No, one single failure, one disobedient act, one sinful thought, one omission of any kind, one failure is fatal. Yet this expert in the law was "wishing to justify himself."

  In case you remain unconvinced let's look at another man "wishing to justify himself" in his own self-righteousness.

  And as He [Jesus] was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and began asking Him, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone. "You know the commandments, 'Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.'" And he said to Him, "Teacher, I have kept all these things from my youth up." And looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him, and said to him, "One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." But at these words his face fell, and he went away grieved, for he was one who owned much property. (Mark 10:17-22, NASB)

  The Lord of the universe rehearsed with this man the requirements of the Law. What is his answer? "I have kept all these things from my youth up." Wrong! He missed it. He didn't get it. His eyes were blind, his heart was cold. He did not hear the Lord that day, but wishing to justify himself, he condemned himself by his own words.

  Now I wonder, do you hear the Lord right now? "Do not murder (or be angry with your brother without cause). Do not commit adultery (or look lustfully on another). Do not steal (or envy another). Do not bear false witness (or lie)." Can you even meet the first requirement of the law mentioned here, let alone law upon law upon law?

  Don't think that Jesus was giving the man an opportunity to justify himself before God through obeying these laws. The Lord here was not implying that the man had actually followed these nor could he follow them. Jesus was using the law to demonstrate to the rich man his utter sinfulness; his total, complete poverty of any righteousness, and thus His need of a savior. He had broken every one of these commandments (as we all have - either in thought or in deed). But did the man hear? Did he really hear what the Lord said? No, even though he had physical ears and heard Jesus' words, God had not yet given him "eyes to see and ears to hear". No, he thought he had kept these commandments of God. He remained in darkness. Instead of answering "I have broken each of these countless times. How can I find righteousness before God? God, be merciful to me the sinner!" Instead of that kind of answer, he broadcasts his spiritual blindness. "Teacher, I have kept all these from my youth up."

  I expect that some of the people reading this are like these men. You wish to justify yourself in the sight of God. Your answer to the Lord would run along the same lines and that answer would miss the mark of God's righteousness to your damnation. Instead of justifying yourself, you condemn yourself by your own words.

  If the Lord were to question you now, "Why should I let you into heaven?" Will you venture your answer by starting your sentence with "I...". Or perhaps you would even be bold enough to say, "Lord, I...". You are seeking to justify yourself. You are standing on your own righteousness. To do so, even in part, even in small part, is to be self-righteous and self- condemning. The road to hell starts in your own heart with that one little word "I". I hope and pray that this tiny word leading to an eternity of separation from God would not be found on any of your lips. Oh that the Lord would open your eyes and ears today that you would hear His words and see your condition as it is.

  Because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the law comes the knowledge of sin. (Romans 3:20, NASB)
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  god bless this site

  by hurt dave in

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  for someone who was raised in the "truth" for 17 years it was a very hard and a very scary decision when my father finnally had the "you must choose a side of the fence" speech and when i chose not to do it anymore he flipped his lid and i so "tormented" by my decsion i latched on to "maryjane" to fill the "need".

  after living with my parents for two years and then on my own for two more years crying everynoght cause i was alone not knowing way i felt this way this way, i felt a spirtual need at 3:30am i drove to my dads house and beged him to let me came home because the "voices" were drivin me crazy and i needed "guidance" he said well get you a meeting with elders and a "bible study".

  so i move back in, had a talk with the elders where they used the bible to call me stupid and i went to there meeting where they used what i said in private and made a whole new talk based around it i broke down crying and prayed to god for the guidacne to make me strong and make the tears stop and the holy spirt led me to this site i moved in with my brother and told my parents i can know longer belive the "truth".

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  Dave

  A Warm welcome. Has anyone suggested any reading to help the healing process. My favourite is 'In Search of Christian Freedom':

  http://www.commentarypress.com/booklist-eng.html

  You can also use this link to read the whole first chaper of 'Crisis of Conscience' free on-line.

  Please stay awhile, you're in my thoughts & prayers.
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  Catch cry's phrases to stir the pot.

  by DelTheFunkyHomosapien in

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  i need phrases or catch cry's to mess with some jws i know.

  i want them to know i'm on to them but not appear to obvious.

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  jaffacake

  You could just casually say at least things aren't as bad as they used to be in previous centuries eg:

  • terrible plagues like bubonic, black death
  • very high mortality rates
  • wonderful breakthroughs in medicine, cancer treatments etc, people living so much longer
  • fewer wars this century

  A good reference source is - Sign of the last days by C O Johnson
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  Wacky Email to Quotes: why do they even bother

  by Quotes in

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  yes, that's right folks.

  it is time for another peek inside the quotes mail bag.

  i responded thusly:dear [name removed for privacy],.

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  jaffacake

  One of the best exchanges I've read - congratulations. I wish I could write, or speak, like that. The guy started off as pompous and extremely haughty but was sent away with his tail between his legs. He is no match for you!
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  Is the UN still an issue with the JW’s?

  by cyberguy in

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  is the un still an active issue with jws?

  i've mentioned the duplicity to several active jw's (i.e., their becoming "associates" and "partners" as an "ngo") and they're very defensive, regardless of the evidence.

  has anyone made any inroads in removing the thick "scales" of unquestioning devotion to the "organization" due to the un issue?

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  jaffacake

  Can I ask, do they admit the 10 year association or do they deny it? What would the local elders say if asked them?