what SweetPea said.
Posts by besty
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5SHARKWATER - WATCH IT!
by sweet pea inyou think we've got problems????
just watched sharkwater - one of the most beautiful and moving films i've watched in a long time.
these guys need protecting - we can't leave it to jehovah, it's time to step up.
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WTS Higher Education Policy
by besty ina couple of topics recently have made me think about exactly how cynical are the wts when it comes to their higher education policy for the rank and file.. first one was mavie's about her forthcoming jc which prompted me to flick through richard dawkins the god delusion.
dawkins quotes from a study published in mensa magazine 2002; .
"of 43 studies carried out since 1927 on the relationship between religious belief and one's intelligence and/or educational level, all but four found an inverse connection.
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besty
bttt in light of Seeker4 thread on college education ban
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The Hope For Our Dying Home-Earth...An Inconvenient Truth
by justhuman inyesterday it was the day of the global inviroment.
as i walked to the street going to work, the main square of the capitol was filled with small children and their teachers with huge paintings, songs, art work with recycled elements demanding a cleaner plannet.
when the old generation will pass those little ones that will take in charge with all the inviromental education they had they will go for a better world.i'm sure about it, you could see it in their small eyes.
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besty
You've managed to imply that I'm a user of fallacious argument and ignorant in a public setting and piss me the f**k off
What does snail? mean?
Adding these two posts togethers allows me no option but to conclude you are a bit slow, like a snail, ponderous, without showing much progress. Congratulations on your academic achievements to date. I'm sure your parents are proud and surprised in equal measure.
Goodbye BringTheLight. If your phone isn't ringing, it's me.
Hopefully some other posters can get this thread back on track before BTL compares me to Adolf Hitler.
PS your offer to slap me, hard, - yes please - I like a bit of correction and discipline. Normally I pay good money but if you are offering....
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The Hope For Our Dying Home-Earth...An Inconvenient Truth
by justhuman inyesterday it was the day of the global inviroment.
as i walked to the street going to work, the main square of the capitol was filled with small children and their teachers with huge paintings, songs, art work with recycled elements demanding a cleaner plannet.
when the old generation will pass those little ones that will take in charge with all the inviromental education they had they will go for a better world.i'm sure about it, you could see it in their small eyes.
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besty
Thanks Greg :-)
BTL - you managed to take 8 words from my post (out of context I may add - I also noted we DO need fossil fuels, to eat the way we have become accustomed to) and launch into a fairly boring explanation of food production. Or something. <eyes glaze over> Explaining the nuances of ammonia seems to give you an all over glow - kinda like when you wet yourself but don't realize why you feel so warm and good..mmmm....ammonia....
Shame you felt the need to ignore the points of common interest I tried to find and also my complaint about your abusive language (Matt. 18:15) I fear I may have to bring along one or two others and maybe even the congregation.
FYI my family lived a subsistence lifestyle on a desolate island in the Atlantic Ocean for 4 years with little requirement for the fossil fuel economy you describe. There are plenty people in many countries that are doing likewise today. Why? And why can't I find any reference to deaths related to a lack of treebark?
Any comment on millenia of viable human life before oil and coal were being harvested on a grand scale? How ever did we manage to evolve without drilling holes in the seabed?
In the interests of science and fair play I'm willing to run the risk of slow death from boredom when I read your reply.
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The Hope For Our Dying Home-Earth...An Inconvenient Truth
by justhuman inyesterday it was the day of the global inviroment.
as i walked to the street going to work, the main square of the capitol was filled with small children and their teachers with huge paintings, songs, art work with recycled elements demanding a cleaner plannet.
when the old generation will pass those little ones that will take in charge with all the inviromental education they had they will go for a better world.i'm sure about it, you could see it in their small eyes.
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besty
Thanks for clearing all that up BTL - most informative - good luck with your ongoing work for planet earth and its inhabitants - we agree on more than you might think.
I don't agree we need to burn fossil fuels to eat. Millions of years of evolution, coupla hundred years of fossil fuel utilisation. We do need fossil fuels to eat in the way we have become accustomed to.
I do find the language you have used personally abusive and aggresive and also assumes a lot about my point of view, my education, my knowledge on this topic and in general - self-righteous mental masturbation, apparently I don't know how the world works, etc. If you knew anything about me, which you don't, you probably wouldn't say that. Given that you PM'd SweetPea, my wife, and told her you didn't even know I had a JWD account I can safely assume you haven't read any of my posts on this thread (or the other 600+ I have made in the last 3 years) so once again I will cut and paste my only stated opinion on this subject:
FWIW my personal opinion is it makes more sense to be gentle with Nature - its not there to be 'conquered' by humans, as if such a thing were possible - particularly our consumption of finite resources. Why not be a bit more careful with what we are doing on a personal level
I think the debate isn't really about global warming being manmade or not - that seems to be a focal point for a more fundamental difference on how we, the Western peoples, evolve our lifestyle. The poles being highly consumptive of resources, or minimally invasive and in harmony with nature. And of course n shades of gray in between.
I think there is enough on this thread for most people on JWD to form a humble opinion on the topic.
Besty
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Power of "Awake" article on Window Cleaning =Thousands of Witness Washer!
by Witness 007 inw.w.c {witness window cleaners} i was one for three years.
started from scratch, taught by another witness window cleaner...we had 4 in our hall.
i never knew why there were so many, till i found an awake article about employment which recommends geting a bucket and starting to clean windows!
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besty
flexible hours, start earning on day 1, low barriers to entry, plenty of customers (which you get by erm..knocking on doors)
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The Hope For Our Dying Home-Earth...An Inconvenient Truth
by justhuman inyesterday it was the day of the global inviroment.
as i walked to the street going to work, the main square of the capitol was filled with small children and their teachers with huge paintings, songs, art work with recycled elements demanding a cleaner plannet.
when the old generation will pass those little ones that will take in charge with all the inviromental education they had they will go for a better world.i'm sure about it, you could see it in their small eyes.
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besty
You are an asset to American diplomacy Gregor.
And the way you use bold font is very artistic.
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The Hope For Our Dying Home-Earth...An Inconvenient Truth
by justhuman inyesterday it was the day of the global inviroment.
as i walked to the street going to work, the main square of the capitol was filled with small children and their teachers with huge paintings, songs, art work with recycled elements demanding a cleaner plannet.
when the old generation will pass those little ones that will take in charge with all the inviromental education they had they will go for a better world.i'm sure about it, you could see it in their small eyes.
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Hey BurnTheShips
If the CO2 rich atmosphere doesn't suit you you could always move to the Chernobyl exclusion zone.
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The Hope For Our Dying Home-Earth...An Inconvenient Truth
by justhuman inyesterday it was the day of the global inviroment.
as i walked to the street going to work, the main square of the capitol was filled with small children and their teachers with huge paintings, songs, art work with recycled elements demanding a cleaner plannet.
when the old generation will pass those little ones that will take in charge with all the inviromental education they had they will go for a better world.i'm sure about it, you could see it in their small eyes.
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besty
Gregor - OK so as not to labour the point for other people I will ignore the latest batch of logical fallacies and just get straight to the point you raise with regard to global cooling. (At least you have raised something with a tenuous connection to a fact, so that's progress)
A cursory glance at Wikipedia reveals that global cooling has been scientifically sidelined since the 1970's. (And yes, you have my permission to shoot the messenger - everybody knows Wikipedia is fundamentally wrong about everything, right?)
Present level of knowledge
Thirty years later, the concern that the cooler temperatures would continue, and perhaps at a faster rate, can now be observed to have been incorrect. More has to be learned about climate, but the growing records have shown the cooling concerns of 1975 to have been simplistic and not borne out.
As for the prospects of the end of the current interglacial (again, valid only in the absence of human perturbations): it isn't true that interglacials have previously only lasted about 10,000 years; and Milankovitch-type calculations indicate that the present interglacial would probably continue for tens of thousands of years naturally. [27] Other estimates (Loutre and Berger, based on orbital calculations) put the unperturbed length of the present interglacial at 50,000 years. [28] Berger (EGU 2005 presentation) believes that the present CO 2 perturbation will last long enough to suppress the next glacial cycle entirely.
As the NAS report indicates, scientific knowledge regarding climate change was more uncertain than it is today. At the time that Rasool and Schneider wrote their 1971 paper, climatologists had not yet recognized the significance of greenhouse gases other than water vapor and carbon dioxide, such as methane, nitrous oxide and chlorofluorocarbons. [29] Early in that decade, carbon dioxide was the only widely studied human-influenced greenhouse gas. The attention drawn to atmospheric gases in the 1970s stimulated many discoveries in future decades. As the temperature pattern changed, global cooling was of waning interest by 1979. [21]
There may well be new recent evidence of global cooling - as in cooling that affects the globe, not anecdotal evidence of unseasonally thick ice in Minnesota. Perhaps an edit by you on Wikipedia would be a good place to start. Or even post your research or sources here on JWD.
You'll possibly notice I still haven't expressed a personal opinion, merely refuted logical fallacies and untruths as and when I see them. Your suggestion that I'm part of a screaming movement is incorrect, if a somewhat humorous word picture.
FWIW my personal opinion is it makes more sense to be gentle with Nature - its not there to be 'conquered' by humans, as if such a thing were possible - particularly our consumption of finite resources. Why not be a bit more careful with what we are doing on a personal level - there's no need to insult those with a different opinion, labelling and dividing into camps along political lines.
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The Hope For Our Dying Home-Earth...An Inconvenient Truth
by justhuman inyesterday it was the day of the global inviroment.
as i walked to the street going to work, the main square of the capitol was filled with small children and their teachers with huge paintings, songs, art work with recycled elements demanding a cleaner plannet.
when the old generation will pass those little ones that will take in charge with all the inviromental education they had they will go for a better world.i'm sure about it, you could see it in their small eyes.
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besty
I see the new religion has recruited another member. Save the planet indeed! Get real.
I'm sure you are a good person but this is just a game of political manipulation and guess who's "it"?
Wow Gregor, I'm impressed at the additional facts you have brought to the topic. Not. Also the way you skilfully avoided ad hominem fallacy,not, but most of all your pyschic powers that have enabled you to read my mind, not.
I asked Witness 007 to share the research he mentions proving pollution was not part of global warming. That is called a request for further information, not an opinion.
I called Brant, uninformed, on a variety of fallacious argumentation techniques. That is still not expressing my opinion on the subject.
I called Carlos_Helms on the discredited 'research' he was presenting. That was still not expressing my opinion on the subject.
Finally I called BringTheLight on a variety of fallacious argumentation techniques he deployed. That was still not expressing my opinion on the subject.
Now Gregor, you have also been called on fallacious argument and lack of facts.
Perhaps there is a pattern amongst the 'business as usual, nothing to see here' fraternity.
I don't mind a good going discussion/argument and I'm happy to be proven wrong, but at least lets be logical - thats the least we owe each other.