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  Hilarious "wardrobe worksheet" in new YPA book!

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during a quiet moment i picked the latest ypa book down from my bookshelf.

  it's pretty much stayed there since my relatives came back from the latest convention.

  i couldn't bring myself to see the extent to which the society is now trying to claw its way into the lives of teenagers.

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  Cantleave: Not a high control group then? Exactly!
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  Hilarious "wardrobe worksheet" in new YPA book!

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during a quiet moment i picked the latest ypa book down from my bookshelf.

  it's pretty much stayed there since my relatives came back from the latest convention.

  i couldn't bring myself to see the extent to which the society is now trying to claw its way into the lives of teenagers.

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  Cedars: Not just brothers. Sisters can't wear denim skirts. Crazy, crazy, crazy!
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  I've lurked a long time: JW's produce some of the most paranoid humans

  by Unlearn in

  1. jw
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  i'll keep this brief for now.. long time lurker (4 years or so).. born-in, elder, used on district level (last talk i gave before i left was the baptisimal talk), and lots of hard time put in...before i finally made the move to split.

  it's a long stoy, much like many of yours...but with it's own little interesting twists.

  more details in the future, perhaps.. as i said, ive lurked here for a while.. its funny: for a long time i'd only come on late at night.

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  crazycate

  Your story is fascinating. Thank you for posting. I can also relate. The first time I went to a website like this I was scared to death. But I was also going out of my mind (please note my name) thinking I was the only one who felt like I did, who had these doubts, who felt that something was not quite right! What a relief to find that I wasn't the only one, but rather that there were many, many people who felt the same way.

  Best wishes.
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  Hilarious "wardrobe worksheet" in new YPA book!

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during a quiet moment i picked the latest ypa book down from my bookshelf.

  it's pretty much stayed there since my relatives came back from the latest convention.

  i couldn't bring myself to see the extent to which the society is now trying to claw its way into the lives of teenagers.

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  Did you see the brochure on how to dress to visit Bethel? Someone there hates denim.
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  Shunning..... at Meetings ???

  by IMHO in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  can someone explain why jws shun disfellowshipped ones when they are at their meetings (i.e.

  making moves to come back)?.

  i can understand why you may not want to 'socialize' with ones who do not share your beliefs.. but surely shunning such ones at the 'meetings'; assuming they are not there to cause trouble, is unloving; should they not be welcomed like the prodigal son.. true christians are known by the 'love' they show.

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  IMHO: "The time period is also of interest. It must make the elders look bad if a DF'd one is attending all the meetings right away. In fact the person I mentioned earlier applied for reinstatement after a couple of months (he had been at every meeting since the announcement) and he was told no because..... believe it or not..... nothing to do with his behaviour.... but either the congregation may think that the elders had made a mistake and are rectifying it or the congregation may think his 'sin' was not that serious."

  Interesting point. Well, let's face it, much about being a JW is about appearances.
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  Shunning..... at Meetings ???

  by IMHO in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  can someone explain why jws shun disfellowshipped ones when they are at their meetings (i.e.

  making moves to come back)?.

  i can understand why you may not want to 'socialize' with ones who do not share your beliefs.. but surely shunning such ones at the 'meetings'; assuming they are not there to cause trouble, is unloving; should they not be welcomed like the prodigal son.. true christians are known by the 'love' they show.

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  "Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man." (1 Corinthians 5:11-13)

  This has bothered me for some time. Shouldn't a person who is showing repentance by coming to meetings be given the benefit of the doubt? It would be safe to assume that whatever they were disfellowshipped for has ceased right? Wouldn't it be the Christian thing to do to welcome them? And even if they are coming to meetings while still struggling with whatever got them disfellowshipped, how can showing them love, welcoming them to the place they are supposed to be, endanger me or anyone else? In other words, how does shunning them at meetings ensure the safety of the congregation? I suppose some might say that if people are allowed to talk to them at meetings, they might be tempted to talk to them elsewhere where their immoral lifestyle or heretical views might influence someone else. But surely the organization is good enough at laying out rules to make it clear that smiling at meetings is one thing, talking to them anywhere else is not.

  The scripture says quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother who IS... Therefore, when this activity ceases, shouldn't we be able to associate with him again without paperwork and months of shunning. Where is the scripture that supports this?
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  told my parents to never ever tell me they love me again....

  by oompa in

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  ...i told them in a very serious sitdown in their living room....said..."because if you cant show it then it does not count...that is not real love no matter who tells you it is....because it is how it makes me feel that determines if it is love....not if you just say it...and me and my sons do not feel that love at all now"....and i stayed calm and talked slowly and barely shed a tear as i held them back...and i had asked them to not say a word but just listen...dad said they would as long as it was not about religion as i knew he would.

  this was two of the worst days of my life in a row..i told them the pain me and my boys feel from their shunning is worse than if they had died...that then i could grieve naturally and move on because that is normal....grief helps you cope...my grief is different because they choose to act like i am dead and normal grief does not seem to work on that.

  i shared an epiphany with them i had about mens rules vs gods great idea of dna (but no i am not sure about a god anymore)it went kinda like this:.

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  crazycate

  I am so, so sorry for your pain. If a person was going to return to a religion he has left, it shouldn't be because his family will cut him off otherwise.

  The organization acknowledged this by saying, "No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family." (Awake, July 2009, page 29.)

  However, the majority of witnesses, from long training, only apply this to people leaving other religions. One person I asked about this article said, "That doesn't apply to people leaving The Truth." The other said, "You are misapplying that statement. You need to be readjusted."

  Our family (my husband, children and I) is what I call "soft-shunned." Because we haven't disassociated ourselves and we haven't been disfellowshipped, only a few people pointedly ignore us when they see us. But the family that my family (parents and syblings) was closest to growing up, that are like aunt and uncle and cousins, has told me that they can't have anything to do with me unless I return. So my sisters go places with this family all the time--out to dinner, on trips, on all kinds of fun outings, and I am not invited. It hurts.

  It is very difficult to accept rules, and the consequence of breaking rules, that you no longer agree with.

  My condolences.
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  onacruise - Craig Mills 1952-2011

  by Lady Lee in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was given the link to a bit of information regarding on old poster/moderator of this forum.

  i was not sure of the validity of the information so have been trying to find out if it is true.. earlier today craig's estranged wife, kate, (bikerchic) confirmed that craig died at his home on aug 10, 2011.. i am sure that many people here remember craig's time here and how he went out of his way to offer support to posters, even calling them, to give whatever help he could as they adjusted to their post-jw lives.. i know many people here will grieve his loss.. --------------.

  ps i tried posting this earlier but the computer i was working with would not allow the posts.

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  Kate, I sent you a PM.
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  onacruise - Craig Mills 1952-2011

  by Lady Lee in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was given the link to a bit of information regarding on old poster/moderator of this forum.

  i was not sure of the validity of the information so have been trying to find out if it is true.. earlier today craig's estranged wife, kate, (bikerchic) confirmed that craig died at his home on aug 10, 2011.. i am sure that many people here remember craig's time here and how he went out of his way to offer support to posters, even calling them, to give whatever help he could as they adjusted to their post-jw lives.. i know many people here will grieve his loss.. --------------.

  ps i tried posting this earlier but the computer i was working with would not allow the posts.

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  Kate, I sent you a PM.
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  My Sister Died This Morning After Refusing Blood On Four Occasions.

  by still wondering in

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  I am sorry for your loss.