Posts by moanzy

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What really bothers me about my JW research.

by ithinkisee in

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some of you may know, but i have been on a serious journey through watchtower "theology", and by association, have gone back all through the history of christianity.

i know many on this list have gone thru the same thing.

i have checked out probably 100 archeological, religious, and history books from the library.

moanzy

And yet we sit here, some of us with broken families, some with family members who have died because of them and their unbiblical rules or suffered terrible abuse and they believe WE 'deserve' to die and are worthless. They don't care to know/hear anything other than what the WTS says and they think we are stupid and we are throwing away our 'inheritence' from Jehovah. Oh and lets not forget how we are worse than "a dog that returns to it's own vomit".

Knowing what you know about JW and christianity doesn't it just PISS you write off that they think you need to be punished by them when they don't even have the remotest idea how much they have been SCREWED!

Moanzy

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Being a JW mother, I really don't understand how these women do it.

by Dragonlady76 in

while reading through some threads, i sometimes wonder what my life would have been like if i had stayed a jw and had kids.

i now have a 23 month old son, that's very active, i can not begin to imagine what torture it would be for both of us to attend meetings or go out in field service.

i would be expected to keep him still the whole time without toys, snacks, books or any sort of distraction at all, except maybe the my book of bible stories.

moanzy

Dragonlady,

That is probably the truth. My husband used to shake his head at me as I got the girls ready. I have a friend who used to do this with 5 kids, 2 are twins. Her husband was a drunk and never became a witness. When she finally cracked, the elders and other JW were helping her husband, but doing nothing for her other than to ask her to come to a JC meeting. And to think that the whole cong. had nothing nice to say about her because she left.

When I decided to leave I remember telling my mom that "this religion only works for people who have both the husband and wife in same belief and that it doesn't work for people like us."

I totally feel for any mom's that have had to endure the pain of doing more than is sanely possible.

Moanzy

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Being a JW mother, I really don't understand how these women do it.

by Dragonlady76 in

while reading through some threads, i sometimes wonder what my life would have been like if i had stayed a jw and had kids.

i now have a 23 month old son, that's very active, i can not begin to imagine what torture it would be for both of us to attend meetings or go out in field service.

i would be expected to keep him still the whole time without toys, snacks, books or any sort of distraction at all, except maybe the my book of bible stories.

moanzy

Meetings were such a waste of time. My kids were ages 3yrs, 1and half, and new born. I spent pretty much the whole time in the bathroom with my kids. Most of the women wanted to help, but only with the new born. I was nursing at the time and basically who really wants to pass around their new baby anyway.

To get to the meeting was nearly impossible, but I did manage to make it at least for the last hour. The sisters use to offer to come and help me get ready, but frankly it felt like they were judging my ability to be responsible enough to get to meetings. Comments were made that we need to respect the meeting arrangement and arrive on time. They also made comments on feeding our children at the meetings(which I always did).

There was one couple(young,ministerial servant,first baby) that had this perfect little baby. She sat on their knee and they had the Bible story book for her and most of the time they just held her hands so she would sit still. Then she turned 1. All hell broke loose. The mom would say " I don't know what happened?" I finally offered her some cherrios to help with the little one and she reluctantly took them. Hopefully she started to realize why I did the things I did with my kids.

When the JW started requiring that I go door to door against my husband and said that he will either give in or leave I started to realize that they don't have my families best interest in mind. All they cared about is their agenda and rules. I felt they could KISS MY ASS! if they thought I would sacrifice my family, my kids happiness and my husband for them. Afterall my mom sacrificed our happiness and father for them and made us live through a nightmare for them and to this day she doesn't seem to realize why her kids are a mess. DUH!!

Moanzy

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small children seeing ghosts and hearing voices

by moanzy in

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does anyone have any experience with this or know what is happening?.

moanzy

Thanks everyone again! I want to wait and see if anything more comes out of this stuff.

Billygoat: I know the people that owned this house from the beginning and they had small children. They are the only owners of this house besides us.

dannybloem: I know what she said doesn't sound consistent, but what two year old is? Also by the way she talked about "the bad light" briefly in that story. What she said to her dad is different than what she said to me, but what she did say was all consistent with what some have described when having a "spiritual" experience. Remember she is only 2 and to me this is unusual for a 2 year old to talk like.

Moanzy

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small children seeing ghosts and hearing voices

by moanzy in

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does anyone have any experience with this or know what is happening?.

moanzy

Thanks everyone. We did just move into this house (Jan 05), but it is only a few years old. I can't think it has anything to do with the house. This whole thing only started when we moved into this house though.

I've checked around about Phsychologist and they don't believe in paranormal. Churches attribute much of this kind of stuff to demons and I'm noticing that there is a freakish reaction from the people around me when I tell them about what is happening. My family are all JW and I just don't care to call and see if they are alright.

What I do know for sure is that I don't think that a two year old would make this stuff up. With the language skills she has I thought she gave a pretty good description of an angel or someone going to the light. She isn't exposed to this kind of talk so I was pretty amazed at what she said. As for my 4 year old she says things that don't seem to be regular conversation. It isn't stuff that we sit around and talk about, but it also doesn't sound like information a small child would just have without being told.

Moanzy

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small children seeing ghosts and hearing voices

by moanzy in

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does anyone have any experience with this or know what is happening?.

moanzy

My 2 year old is hearing voices and seeing ghosts. She hears and sees them in her room, but not always. She will stop play to watch something in thin air. When we ask her what she is seeing she will answer "ghosts".

Today at lunch she ran into my room while I was getting ready for a b'day party. She was so exited when she said "mommy I saw Jesus and he had circles"( she drew the circles in the air) I repeated it back to her in a question and she answered "yes". I asked her where. She answered "on the sidewalk" I asked her if she would show me. She took me to the front door and she went outside and said "oh he is gone"

I phoned my husband to inform him of this so when he got home at about 5 O'clock he asked her if she saw Jesus today. She said "yes and he had circles and then he flew away and went to the light".

My other little girl who is 4 (said this when she was 3) "mommy you aren't the same as the mommy I had before" a few weeks later we were driving and she said to me "mom did you know that some people die and come back as little kids?"

Anyone hear of this or experience these kinds of things with their kids?

Moanzy

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small children seeing ghosts and hearing voices

by moanzy in

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does anyone have any experience with this or know what is happening?.

moanzy

Does anyone have any experience with this or know what is happening?

Moanzy

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When Old Saul Dies!! GB Rumor Going Around Bethel

by frankiespeakin in

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i don't have ray franz's book so could somebody tell me about that rumor that got the gb all upset at bethel back in 1980???

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moanzy

Some at bethel ( Ray and others) realized that the great crowd will be standing before the thone just like the 144,000. Meaning that ALL will be in heaven not just 144,000.

Moanzy

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BS From the Watchtower on family life.

by Dragonlady76 in

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family life that pleases god .

what is the husband's position in the family?

3. a father should work hard to care for his family.

moanzy

Dear Defd,

"what goes around comes around" Yes that child molester from my old congregation that committed suicide. Molested at least a half-dozen kids and now that cong. is finding those children whom he victimized are now doing the same to the next generation. Thank goodness Jehovah really showed him.

Please pull your head out of the sand!!!!

Moanzy

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The sins of scripture by John Shelby Spong

by moanzy in

has anyone read this book?

john shelby spong is a retired bishop who is trying to expose what religion has done to scripture by how they interpret them.

in chapter 25 on the bible and certainty he writes " my contention, which i will seek to defend in this section of the book, is that the moment any religious tradition claims certaintly, it turns demonic.

moanzy

Thanks Classist, I wasn't aware that it is proper to refer to him as Bishop Spong.

I wouldn't say I agree with everything he says, particularly the chapter on Blood and how men treated women because of their fear of blood. However he made some interesting points about child abuse and how whether hitting an adult or hitting a child it is still abuse. That corporeal punishment was a way to keep people in line. I also believe that religion has interrpreted scripture to justify wrong like anti-semitism, anti-gay rites etc. It may seem elementary to some, but it is quite interesting to me--someone who has never been allowed to open their mind to view any of this in a different way.

Thanks for your comments all!

Moanzy