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The Only True Church

by danielweatherlee in

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does god have a true church on the earth today?yes,and i will reveal it.it is the free will baptist church,which is true in every sense.they preach jesus,they study god's word correctly and rightly divide the word of truth.they are not led by a distant leader,they are led by their local leader chosen by god.if the sign out front doesn't say free will baptist then you are in the wrong church.look for that sign,and then you've found the right church.

mnb77

welcome Danielweatherlee,

Follow the bible and the God who inspired it and we will all be okay!

the end will show who God thought was okay!

mnb77

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Theological question: When did God create the Devil if...

by logansrun in

st. augustine speculated that god exists outside of time.

this viewpoint would seem to make sense in our modern understanding of physics since time is dependent upon space; time is not an absolute, and it is not linear.

god, according to augustine and other theologians, sees all of history as one eternal present moment.

mnb77

totally some thing to make me go hummm....

I do believe that God is outside of time (meaning that he doesn't feel time as we do with growing old and such) but I do believe that there has been a progression of things that have occured in the heavenly realms (in Daniel where dan prayed an the angle was delayed in giving him the answer, and where the devil (former angel) was spued from heaven, mentioned in rev. but happened before gen.) I do think that god as JC came to earth as our perfect attonement, taking on our time suits (bodies) so he would be a perfect canidate to deal with our type of sin.

A big giant Now is like when we were kids...everything was as we perceived it in the moment then.

i think the spirit (gloified body) world will be a bunch coasier than here.

mnb77

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I'm searching for answers....

by nedryerson in

i have been studying your faith and i understand that you believe in the bible?

1. in revelation 1:8, it says, ?

?i am the alpha and the omega,?

mnb77

double posting sorry

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I'm searching for answers....

by nedryerson in

i have been studying your faith and i understand that you believe in the bible?

1. in revelation 1:8, it says, ?

?i am the alpha and the omega,?

mnb77

this is the reason I believe the trinity look at things but any way,

Revelation 1:8

(1) "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

1. The use of the phrase, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty" has led to a debate. Is God the Father or God the Son referred to in verse 8? In the parallel passages of Rev. 1:17; 21:6; 22:1, Christ is equated with Almighty God. Yet, the Father is consistently identified with the same titles. Trying to decide which member of the Godhead is identified in verse 8 is impossible. It is as if both members are speaking at the same time. This may be closer to the truth John intends. This prophecy stands as the unanimous consent of God the Father and God the Son.

Revelation 21:5

(1) And He who sits on the throne said, (2) "Behold, I am making all things new." (3) And He said, "Write, for these words are faithful and true."

1. And He who sits on the throne said = is a direct reference to God the Father. This is one of the few direct references to the Father in the Revelation. The Father speaks.

2. Behold, I am making all things new = is a bit strange at first glance. One would think that given the context that this sentence would read, "I have made all things new." However, as it stands, it appears that God is still in the act of creating all things new.

3. He said, "Write, for these words are faithful and true" = applies to the whole book of Revelation and not just this section.

Revelation 21:6

(1) And He said to me, "It is done. (2) I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. (3) I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost.

1. And He said to me, "It is done?" = indicates completion. Unfortunately, it is not clear what is finished. In context, one would assume that God?s new creation is finished, but this is guessing.

2. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end = basically is two ways of saying the same thing. The phrase focuses on the absolute power and sovereignty of God.

3. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost = is metaphorical way of referring to eternal life. What was promised for thousands of years is now fulfilled. Progressive sanctification finally results in absolute glorification.

Revelation 21:7

(1) He who overcomes shall inherit these things, and (2) I will be his God and he will be My son.

1. He who overcomes shall inherit these things = reiterates the promise. The overcomer gets "all these things." This refers to the list outlined in verse four above.

2. I will be his God and he will be My son = is singular, nevertheless it applies to all of those who are overcomers. This is a great promise. Overcomers will be adopted as "sons" of God. All the rights and privileges of sonship come with this promise. This is beyond human comprehension. The road from being the objects of ridicule and scorn to "sonship" is the heart of this revelation. We are sons of God.

Revelation 22:12-13

"Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

Some use passages such as this to support a claim that the return of Christ to rapture the church to heaven is imminent (could happen at any moment). A position rendered nonsensical by 2000 years of human history. In what sense can the Lord?s return be termed "a quick coming?" Unless the term quick has changed, it cannot refer to time. It has been 2000 years since the Lord returned to Glory. Quick can refer to the manner of the Lord?s return. In other words, the Lord?s return will happen very quickly. The Lord emphasizes the quickness of His return because the level of suffering the believers will be experiencing during the persecution of Satan/Antichrist against the saints will be unparalleled. Once the Lord sets out to rescue the elect, it will happen very quickly ? in the twinkling of any eye!

this is how i see it!!! no so much a JW, but the other answers should show you how far they swayed from what it says!

mnb77

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Why didn't jesus write the new testement

by Satanus in

questions, questions, and more questions.. did jesus (if he existed) have in mind starting a world religion such as has been created around him in his name?

if so, why did he not write the foundations for it, laying out it's laws and structure?

why did he only rebel and lead a rebellion against the old testement priesthood?

mnb77

Two thoughts to this:

1) the reason why JC didn't write the stuff was because he didn't want to be an example for all the JW Leaders.

2) The Bible: God inspired, man written

and with the Trinity idea, Jesus is God so he put it all together

mnb77

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Another example of a loving God.

by jula71 in

i was looking through the newest wt just to see what "new light" there is now.

i came across the questions from readers, and i was amazed by what i read.

from the may 15, 2005 wt, the question was "why were david and bath-sheba not put to death for committing adultery, whereas their newborn son died?

mnb77

In those times children paid for the sins of the father. I honestly cant see this a okay but during those times, that was the way it worked. It was a sort of punishment for david because sons at that time were "inheritance" look in psalms or proverbs cant remember and girls were only "presents".

hope that helps understanding

mnb77

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JOB's children celebrating birthdays

by eye 23 in

can anyone give me their view on why the bible says that after job's children celebrated 'their day' he went out and made sacrafices to god in case they had sinned and cursed god in their hearts ?.

the first part is a great talking part especially regarding job being a rightous man but the latter tends to counter act it some how by impling that job thoughts were that birthdays were wrong, in gods eyes.

especially as he did this after every birthday, so i can't really debate that it was one off event that might have encured some wrong doing at one particular party........if you understand what i mean.. thanks for any iput.

mnb77

Sacrifices are about a lot of stuff not just cause your bad, Check it out (sorry so long):

Divine institution of.
Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. Genesis 4:4-5 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
To be offered to God alone.
Exodus 22:20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed. Judges 13:16 And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah, Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread: and if thou wilt offer a burnt offering, thou must offer it unto the LORD. For Manoah knew not that he was an angel of the LORD. 2 Kings 17:36 But the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice.
When offered to God, an acknowledgement of His being the supreme God.
2 Kings 5:17 And Naaman said, Shall there not then, I pray thee, be given to thy servant two mules' burden of earth? for thy servant will henceforth offer neither burnt offering nor sacrifice unto other gods, but unto the LORD. Jonah 1:16 Then the men feared the LORD exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice unto the LORD, and made vows.
CONSISTED OF
- Clean animals or bloody sacrifices.
  Genesis 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
- The fruits of the earth or unbloody sacrifices.
  Genesis 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: Leviticus 2:1 And when any will offer a meat offering unto the LORD, his offering shall be of fine flour; and he shall pour oil upon it, and put frankincense thereon:
Always offered upon altars.
Exodus 20:24 An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.
The offering of, an acknowledgment of sin.
Hebrews 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
WERE OFFERED
- From the earliest age.
  Genesis 4:3-4 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
- By the patriarchs.
  Genesis 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. Genesis 31:54 Then Jacob offered sacrifice upon the mount, and called his brethren to eat bread: and they did eat bread, and tarried all night in the mount. Genesis 46:1 And Israel took his journey with all that he had, and came to Beersheba, and offered sacrifices unto the God of his father Isaac. Job 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
- After the departure of Israel from Egypt.
  Exodus 5:3 And they said, The God of the Hebrews hath met with us: let us go, we pray thee, three days' journey into the desert, and sacrifice unto the LORD our God; lest he fall upon us with pestilence, or with the sword. Exodus 18:12 And Jethro, Moses' father in law, took a burnt offering and sacrifices for God: and Aaron came, and all the elders of Israel, to eat bread with Moses' father in law before God. Exodus 24:5 And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the LORD.
- Under the Mosaic dispensation.
  Leviticus 1:1 - 7: 38 Hebrews 10:1-3 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
- Daily.
  Exodus 29:38-39 Now this is that which thou shalt offer upon the altar; two lambs of the first year day by day continually. The one lamb thou shalt offer in the morning; and the other lamb thou shalt offer at even:
- Weekly.
  Numbers 28:9-10 And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof: This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
- Monthly.
  Numbers 28:11 And in the beginnings of your months ye shall offer a burnt offering unto the LORD; two young bullocks, and one ram, seven lambs of the first year without spot;
- Yearly.
  Leviticus 16:3 Thus shall Aaron come into the holy place: with a young bullock for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering. 1 Samuel 1:3 And this man went up out of his city yearly to worship and to sacrifice unto the LORD of hosts in Shiloh. And the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, the priests of the LORD, were there. 1 Samuel 20:6 If thy father at all miss me, then say, David earnestly asked leave of me that he might run to Bethlehem his city: for there is a yearly sacrifice there for all the family.
- At all the feasts.
  Numbers 10:10 Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the beginnings of your months, ye shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; that they may be to you for a memorial before your God: I am the LORD your God.
- For the whole nation.
  Leviticus 16:15-30 Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat: And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness. And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel. And he shall go out unto the altar that is before the LORD, and make an atonement for it; and shall take of the blood of the bullock, and of the blood of the goat, and put it upon the horns of the altar round about. And he shall sprinkle of the blood upon it with his finger seven times, and cleanse it, and hallow it from the uncleanness of the children of Israel. And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat: And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness. And Aaron shall come into the tabernacle of the congregation, and shall put off the linen garments, which he put on when he went into the holy place, and shall leave them there: And he shall wash his flesh with water in the holy place, and put on his garments, and come forth, and offer his burnt offering, and the burnt offering of the people, and make an atonement for himself, and for the people. And the fat of the sin offering shall he burn upon the altar. And he that let go the goat for the scapegoat shall wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in water, and afterward come into the camp. And the bullock for the sin offering, and the goat for the sin offering, whose blood was brought in to make atonement in the holy place, shall one carry forth without the camp; and they shall burn in the fire their skins, and their flesh, and their dung. And he that burneth them shall wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in water, and afterward he shall come into the camp. And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you: For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD. 1 Chronicles 29:21 And they sacrificed sacrifices unto the LORD, and offered burnt offerings unto the LORD, on the morrow after that day, even a thousand bullocks, a thousand rams, and a thousand lambs, with their drink offerings, and sacrifices in abundance for all Israel:
- For individuals.
  Leviticus 1:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the LORD, ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, even of the herd, and of the flock. Leviticus 17:8 And thou shalt say unto them, Whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers which sojourn among you, that offereth a burnt offering or sacrifice,
- In faith of a coming Saviour.
  Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Hebrews 11:28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
Required to be perfect and without blemish.
Leviticus 22:19 Ye shall offer at your own will a male without blemish, of the beeves, of the sheep, or of the goats. Deuteronomy 15:21 And if there be any blemish therein, as if it be lame, or blind, or have any ill blemish, thou shalt not sacrifice it unto the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 17:1 Thou shalt not sacrifice unto the LORD thy God any bullock, or sheep, wherein is blemish, or any evilfavouredness: for that is an abomination unto the LORD thy God. Malachi 1:8 And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the LORD of hosts. Malachi 1:14 But cursed be the deceiver, which hath in his flock a male, and voweth, and sacrificeth unto the Lord a corrupt thing: for I am a great King, saith the LORD of hosts, and my name is dreadful among the heathen.
Generally the best of their kind.
Genesis 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: 1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. Psalms 66:15 I will offer unto thee burnt sacrifices of fatlings, with the incense of rams; I will offer bullocks with goats. Selah. Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
DIFFERENT KINDS OF;
- Burnt offering wholly consumed by fire.
  Leviticus 1:1-17 And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the LORD, ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, even of the herd, and of the flock. If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD. And he shall put his hand upon the head of the burnt offering; and it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him. And he shall kill the bullock before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar that is by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And he shall flay the burnt offering, and cut it into his pieces. And the sons of Aaron the priest shall put fire upon the altar, and lay the wood in order upon the fire: And the priests, Aaron's sons, shall lay the parts, the head, and the fat, in order upon the wood that is on the fire which is upon the altar: But his inwards and his legs shall he wash in water: and the priest shall burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD. And if his offering be of the flocks, namely, of the sheep, or of the goats, for a burnt sacrifice; he shall bring it a male without blemish. And he shall kill it on the side of the altar northward before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall sprinkle his blood round about upon the altar. And he shall cut it into his pieces, with his head and his fat: and the priest shall lay them in order on the wood that is on the fire which is upon the altar: But he shall wash the inwards and the legs with water: and the priest shall bring it all, and burn it upon the altar: it is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD. And if the burnt sacrifice for his offering to the LORD be of fowls, then he shall bring his offering of turtledoves, or of young pigeons. And the priest shall bring it unto the altar, and wring off his head, and burn it on the altar; and the blood thereof shall be wrung out at the side of the altar: And he shall pluck away his crop with his feathers, and cast it beside the altar on the east part, by the place of the ashes: And he shall cleave it with the wings thereof, but shall not divide it asunder: and the priest shall burn it upon the altar, upon the wood that is upon the fire: it is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD. 1 Kings 18:38 Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.
- Sin offering for sins of ignorance.
  Leviticus 4:1 - 4: 35
- Trespass offering for intentional sins.
  Leviticus 6:1-7 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, If a soul sin, and commit a trespass against the LORD, and lie unto his neighbour in that which was delivered him to keep, or in fellowship, or in a thing taken away by violence, or hath deceived his neighbour; Or have found that which was lost, and lieth concerning it, and sweareth falsely; in any of all these that a man doeth, sinning therein: Then it shall be, because he hath sinned, and is guilty, that he shall restore that which he took violently away, or the thing which he hath deceitfully gotten, or that which was delivered him to keep, or the lost thing which he found, Or all that about which he hath sworn falsely; he shall even restore it in the principal, and shall add the fifth part more thereto, and give it unto him to whom it appertaineth, in the day of his trespass offering. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD, a ram without blemish out of the flock, with thy estimation, for a trespass offering, unto the priest: And the priest shall make an atonement for him before the LORD: and it shall be forgiven him for any thing of all that he hath done in trespassing therein. Leviticus 7:1-7 Likewise this is the law of the trespass offering: it is most holy. In the place where they kill the burnt offering shall they kill the trespass offering: and the blood thereof shall he sprinkle round about upon the altar. And he shall offer of it all the fat thereof; the rump, and the fat that covereth the inwards, And the two kidneys, and the fat that is on them, which is by the flanks, and the caul that is above the liver, with the kidneys, it shall he take away: And the priest shall burn them upon the altar for an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a trespass offering. Every male among the priests shall eat thereof: it shall be eaten in the holy place: it is most holy. As the sin offering is, so is the trespass offering: there is one law for them: the priest that maketh atonement therewith shall have it.
- Peace offering.
  Leviticus 3:1-17 And if his oblation be a sacrifice of peace offering, if he offer it of the herd; whether it be a male or female, he shall offer it without blemish before the LORD. And he shall lay his hand upon the head of his offering, and kill it at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: and Aaron's sons the priests shall sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about. And he shall offer of the sacrifice of the peace offering an offering made by fire unto the LORD; the fat that covereth the inwards, and all the fat that is upon the inwards, And the two kidneys, and the fat that is on them, which is by the flanks, and the caul above the liver, with the kidneys, it shall he take away. And Aaron's sons shall burn it on the altar upon the burnt sacrifice, which is upon the wood that is on the fire: it is an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD. And if his offering for a sacrifice of peace offering unto the LORD be of the flock; male or female, he shall offer it without blemish. If he offer a lamb for his offering, then shall he offer it before the LORD. And he shall lay his hand upon the head of his offering, and kill it before the tabernacle of the congregation: and Aaron's sons shall sprinkle the blood thereof round about upon the altar. And he shall offer of the sacrifice of the peace offering an offering made by fire unto the LORD; the fat thereof, and the whole rump, it shall he take off hard by the backbone; and the fat that covereth the inwards, and all the fat that is upon the inwards, And the two kidneys, and the fat that is upon them, which is by the flanks, and the caul above the liver, with the kidneys, it shall he take away. And the priest shall burn it upon the altar: it is the food of the offering made by fire unto the LORD. And if his offering be a goat, then he shall offer it before the LORD. And he shall lay his hand upon the head of it, and kill it before the tabernacle of the congregation: and the sons of Aaron shall sprinkle the blood thereof upon the altar round about. And he shall offer thereof his offering, even an offering made by fire unto the LORD; the fat that covereth the inwards, and all the fat that is upon the inwards, And the two kidneys, and the fat that is upon them, which is by the flanks, and the caul above the liver, with the kidneys, it shall he take away. And the priest shall burn them upon the altar: it is the food of the offering made by fire for a sweet savour: all the fat is the LORD'S. It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood.
To be brought to the place appointed by God.
Deuteronomy 12:6 And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks: 2 Chronicles 7:12 And the LORD appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice.
Were bound to the horns of the altar.
Psalms 118:27 God is the LORD, which hath shewed us light: bind the sacrifice with cords, even unto the horns of the altar.
Were salted with salt.
Leviticus 2:13 And every oblation of thy meat offering shalt thou season with salt; neither shalt thou suffer the salt of the covenant of thy God to be lacking from thy meat offering: with all thine offerings thou shalt offer salt. Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
Often consumed by fire from heaven.
Leviticus 9:24 And there came a fire out from before the LORD, and consumed upon the altar the burnt offering and the fat: which when all the people saw, they shouted, and fell on their faces. 1 Kings 18:38 Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench. 2 Chronicles 7:1 Now when Solomon had made an end of praying, the fire came down from heaven, and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices; and the glory of the LORD filled the house.
When bloody, accompanied with meat and drink offering.
Numbers 15:3-12 And will make an offering by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, or a sacrifice in performing a vow, or in a freewill offering, or in your solemn feasts, to make a sweet savour unto the LORD, of the herd, or of the flock: Then shall he that offereth his offering unto the LORD bring a meat offering of a tenth deal of flour mingled with the fourth part of an hin of oil. And the fourth part of an hin of wine for a drink offering shalt thou prepare with the burnt offering or sacrifice, for one lamb. Or for a ram, thou shalt prepare for a meat offering two tenth deals of flour mingled with the third part of an hin of oil. And for a drink offering thou shalt offer the third part of an hin of wine, for a sweet savour unto the LORD. And when thou preparest a bullock for a burnt offering, or for a sacrifice in performing a vow, or peace offerings unto the LORD: Then shall he bring with a bullock a meat offering of three tenth deals of flour mingled with half an hin of oil. And thou shalt bring for a drink offering half an hin of wine, for an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD. Thus shall it be done for one bullock, or for one ram, or for a lamb, or a kid. According to the number that ye shall prepare, so shall ye do to every one according to their number.
No leaven offered with, except for thanksgiving.
Exodus 23:18 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread; neither shall the fat of my sacrifice remain until the morning. Leviticus 7:13 Besides the cakes, he shall offer for his offering leavened bread with the sacrifice of thanksgiving of his peace offerings.
Fat of, not to remain until morning.
Exodus 23:8 And thou shalt take no gift: for the gift blindeth the wise, and perverteth the words of the righteous.
THE PRIESTS
- Appointed to offer.
  1 Samuel 2:28 And did I choose him out of all the tribes of Israel to be my priest, to offer upon mine altar, to burn incense, to wear an ephod before me? and did I give unto the house of thy father all the offerings made by fire of the children of Israel? Ezekiel 44:11 Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them. Ezekiel 44:15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord GOD:
- Had a portion of, and lived by.
  Exodus 29:27-28 And thou shalt sanctify the breast of the wave offering, and the shoulder of the heave offering, which is waved, and which is heaved up, of the ram of the consecration, even of that which is for Aaron, and of that which is for his sons: And it shall be Aaron's and his sons' by a statute for ever from the children of Israel: for it is an heave offering: and it shall be an heave offering from the children of Israel of the sacrifice of their peace offerings, even their heave offering unto the LORD.
Were typical of Christ's sacrifice.
1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Ephesians 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. Hebrews 10:11-12 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Were accepted when offered in sincerity and faith.
Genesis 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. Genesis 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
Imparted a legal purification.
Hebrews 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Could not take away sin.
Psalms 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. Hebrews 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Hebrews 10:1-11 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Without obedience, worthless.
1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. Mark 12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
The covenants of God confirmed by.
Genesis 15:9-17 And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon. And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not. And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away. And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him. And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces. Exodus 24:5-8 And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the LORD. And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar. And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words. Hebrews 9:19-20 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
THE JEWS
- Condemned for not treating with respect.
  1 Samuel 2:29 Wherefore kick ye at my sacrifice and at mine offering, which I have commanded in my habitation; and honourest thy sons above me, to make yourselves fat with the chiefest of all the offerings of Israel my people? Malachi 1:12 But ye have profaned it, in that ye say, The table of the LORD is polluted; and the fruit thereof, even his meat, is contemptible.
- Condemned for bringing defective and blemished.
  Malachi 1:13-14 Ye said also, Behold, what a weariness is it! and ye have snuffed at it, saith the LORD of hosts; and ye brought that which was torn, and the lame, and the sick; thus ye brought an offering: should I accept this of your hand? saith the LORD. But cursed be the deceiver, which hath in his flock a male, and voweth, and sacrificeth unto the Lord a corrupt thing: for I am a great King, saith the LORD of hosts, and my name is dreadful among the heathen.
- Condemned for not offering.
  Isaiah 43:23-24 Thou hast not brought me the small cattle of thy burnt offerings; neither hast thou honoured me with thy sacrifices. I have not caused thee to serve with an offering, nor wearied thee with incense. Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities.
- Unaccepted in, on account of sin.
  Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. Hosea 8:13 They sacrifice flesh for the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat it; but the LORD accepteth them not; now will he remember their iniquity, and visit their sins: they shall return to Egypt.
- Condemned for offering, to idols.
  2 Chronicles 34:25 Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be poured out upon this place, and shall not be quenched. Isaiah 65:3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Isaiah 65:7 Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.
Offered to false gods, are offered to devils.
Leviticus 17:7 And they shall no more offer their sacrifices unto devils, after whom they have gone a whoring. This shall be a statute for ever unto them throughout their generations. Deuteronomy 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. Psalms 106:37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils, 1 Corinthians 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
On great occasions, very numerous.
2 Chronicles 5:6 Also king Solomon, and all the congregation of Israel that were assembled unto him before the ark, sacrificed sheep and oxen, which could not be told nor numbered for multitude. 2 Chronicles 7:5 And king Solomon offered a sacrifice of twenty and two thousand oxen, and an hundred and twenty thousand sheep: so the king and all the people dedicated the house of God.
For public use often provided by the state.
2 Chronicles 31:3 He appointed also the king's portion of his substance for the burnt offerings, to wit, for the morning and evening burnt offerings, and the burnt offerings for the sabbaths, and for the new moons, and for the set feasts, as it is written in the law of the LORD.
ILLUSTRATIVE OF
- Prayer.
  Psalms 141:2 Let my prayer be set forth before thee as incense; and the lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice.
- Thanksgiving.
  Psalms 27:6 And now shall mine head be lifted up above mine enemies round about me: therefore will I offer in his tabernacle sacrifices of joy; I will sing, yea, I will sing praises unto the LORD. Psalms 107:22 And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, and declare his works with rejoicing. Psalms 116:17 I will offer to thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving, and will call upon the name of the LORD. Hebrews 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
- Devotedness.
  Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. Philippians 2:17 Yea, and if I be offered upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I joy, and rejoice with you all.
- Benevolence.
  Philippians 4:18 But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God. Hebrews 13:16 But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
- Righteousness.
  Psalms 4:5 Offer the sacrifices of righteousness, and put your trust in the LORD. Psalms 51:19 Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar.
- A broken spirit.
  Psalms 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
- Martyrdom.
  Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 2 Timothy 4:6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.

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And THIS is supposed to be a God worthy of worship?

by SeymourButts in

he created evil (lam.

3:38, jer.

26:3, 36:3, ezek.

mnb77

he is also:

Who is God?

God Is One - Deut. 6:4; 1 Cor. 8:4
God Is Truth - Psalm 117:2; Jer. 10:10
God is Light - 1 John 1:5
God is Love - 1 John 4:8,16
God Is Infinite - Jer. 23:24; Psalm 147:5
God is All Knowing - 1 John 3:20
God is Everywhere - Psalm 139:7-12
God is All Powerful - Jer. 32:17 , 27
God is Unequaled - Isaiah 40:13-25
God Is Perfect - 1 Kings 8:27; Psalm 139
God Is A Most Pure Spirit - John 4:24
God Is Invisible - 1 Tim. 1:17
God Does Not Have A Human Body - Luke 24:39; Deut. 4:15-16
God Does Not Change - Num. 23:19; Mal. 3:6; James 1:17
God Is Without Limit - 1 Kings 8:27; Jer. 23:23-24
God Is Eternal - Psalm 90:2; 1 Tim. 1:17
God Is Incomprehensible - Rom. 11:33; Psalm 145:3
God Is The Almighty One - Rev. 1:8, 4:8
God Is Most Wise - Rom. 16:27; Jude 25
God Is Most Holy - Isaiah 6:3; Rev. 4:8
God Is Most Free - Psalm 115:3
God Is Most Absolute - Isaiah 44:6; Acts 17:24-25
God Works According To His Will - Eph. 1:11; Rom. 8:28
God Receives Glory - Rom. 8:36; Rev. 4:11
God Is Most Loving - 1 John 4:8-10
God Is Gracious - Exodus 33:19; 1 Pet. 2:3
God Is Merciful - Exodus 34:6; Psalm 67:1; James 5:11
God Is Long-suffering - Psalm 86:15; 2 Pet. 3:15
God Abounds In Goodness - Psalm 31:19; 52:1; Rom. 11:22
God Is Forgiving - Dan. 9:9; Eph. 1:7; Psalm 86:5
God Rewards Those Who Seek Him - Heb. 11:6
God Is Just In All His Judgments - Neh. 9:32-33; 2 Thess. 1:6
God Hates Sin - Psalm 5:5-6; Hab. 1:13
God Is the Creator - Isaiah 40:12,22,26
God Is Shepherd - Gen. 49:24

In Genesis, He is the Creator God.

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In Exodus, He is the Redeemer.

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In Leviticus, He is your sanctification.

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In Numbers, He is your guide.

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In Deuteronomy, He is your teacher.

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In Joshua, He is the mighty conqueror.

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In Ruth, He is your kinsman,

your lover, your redeemer.

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In 1 Samuel, He is the root of Jesse.

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In 2 Samuel, He is the Son of David.

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In 1 Kings and 2 Kings, He is King of Kings

and Lord of Lords.

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In 1st and 2nd Chronicles, He is your intercessor

and High Priest.

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In Ezra, He is your temple, your house of worship.

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In Nehemiah, He is your mighty wall,

protecting you from your enemies.

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In Esther, He stands in the gap to

deliver you from your enemies.

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In Job, He is the arbitrator who not only

understands your struggles, but has the power

to do something about them.

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In Psalms, He is your song and your reason to sing.

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In Proverbs, He is your wisdom, helping you

make sense of life and live it successfully.

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In Ecclesiastes, He is your purpose,

delivering you from vanity.

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In the Song of Solomon, He is your lover,

your Rose of Sharon.

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In Isaiah, He is the mighty counselor,

the Prince of Peace, the everlasting Father, and more.

He's everything you need.

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In Jeremiah, He is your balm of Gilead,

the soothing salve for your sin-sick soul.

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In Lamentations, He is the ever-faithful one

upon whom you can depend.

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In Ezekiel, He is your wheel in the middle of a wheel,

the one who assures that dry, dead bones will come alive again.

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In Daniel, He is the ancient of days,

the everlasting God who never runs out of time.

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In Hosea, He is your faithful lover,

always beckoning you to come back,

even when you have abandoned Him.

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In Joel, He is your refuge,

keeping you safe in times of trouble.

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In Amos, He is the husbandman,

the one you can depend on to stay by your side.

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In Obadiah, He is Lord of the Kingdom.

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In Jonah, He is your salvation,

bringing you back within His will.

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In Micah, He is Judge of the Nation.

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In Nahum, He is the jealous God.

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In Habakkuk, He is the Holy One.

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In Zephaniah, He is the witness.

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In Haggai, He overthrows the enemies.

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In Zechariah, He is Lord of Hosts.

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In Malachi, He is the messenger God.

In Matthew, He is King of the Jews.

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In Mark, He is the Servant.

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In Luke, He is the Son of Man, feeling what you feel.

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In John, He is the Son of God.

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In Acts, He is Saviour of the world.

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In Romans, He is the righteousness of God.

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In 1 Corinthians, He is the rock that followed

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In 2 Corinthians, He is the triumphant, victorious one.

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In Galatians, He is your liberty ... He sets you free.

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In Ephesians, He is Head of the Church.

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In Philippians, He is your joy.

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In Colossians, He is your completeness.

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In 1 Thessalonians, He is your hope.

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In 2 Thessalonians, He is your patience and discipline.

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In 1 Timothy, He is your faith.

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In 2 Timothy, He is your stability.

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In Titus, He is the truth.

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In Philemon, He is your benefactor.

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In Hebrews, He is your perfection.

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In James, He is the power behind your faith.

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In 1 Peter, He is your example.

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In 2 Peter, He is your purity.

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In 1 John, He is your life.

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In 2 John, He is your pattern.

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In 3 John, He is your motivation.

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In Jude, He is the foundation of your faith.

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In the Revelation, He is your coming King.

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"Lord" meaning Jesus switched to "Jehovah" in the NWT?

by ithinkisee in

i read somewhere on this board in that past that there were numerous examples in the greek scriptures in the nwt where the society translated "lord" that obviously meant jesus to the name jehovah to avoid problems with "trinity" doctrinal issues.. can someone point me to some research or examples regarding this.

i googled jwd but didn't really come up with anything.. .

ithinkisee

mnb77

Look at Psalm 110:1 "The LORD siad unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, unitl I make thine enemies they footstool." (King James Vesion)

Here it is only necessary to look at the text closer. Most translations render thr Hebrew tetragrammaton YHWH as "the LORD" (all caps), who is talking to the Psalmist's "Lord"(both cap and lower case), the Messiah. this does not disprove the trinity. The NT records many conversations between Jesus and the Father. The Bible reveals that the father is God (John 6:27) and that the son is God (ISA 9:6, John 20:28) yet ther is only one God (1 Cor. 8:4) Although this seems to contradict everyday human logic, are we right to assume that God must fit into the logical patterens with which we are familiar in the world around us? He is from the realms above; we are from the realms below. His ways are beyond our full understanding.

If there is still problem with the Father talking to the Son, look at Gen 18 and 19 in the New World Translation, here Jehovah appeared to Abraham as 3 men or angels. (18:1-2) Abraham addressed the thres as Jehovah (gen 18:3) Two left abraham and went toward the city of Sodom, but Abraham continued to address the reamianing individual as Jehovah (gen 18:22, 19:1). When the other two reached Sodom and spoke with Lot, he addressed the two of them as Jehovah (gen 19:18). And when the city of Sodom was destroyed, the NWT says at Gen 19:24: "Then Jehovah made it rain sulpher and fire from Jehovah, from the heavens..." So unless the JW want to claim there is more than one Jehovah, they will hve to admit that God can be in more than one place at the same time, and that he can hold simultaneous conversations with different people in different places. this can help grasp the Father talking to the Son with out calling into question the diety of Christ.

mnb77

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I want to get a different Bible than the NWT. Which version?

by ithinkisee in

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any suggestions?

i'd like to have several different ones, but what is a fairly good version to start using out of the gate?.

mnb77

There are great varieties of them: to check them out go to http://bible.com/bible_read.html

they are listed by version and you can read them online.

I like the New Living Translation. This is the type of Bible i have and it has done me well and i compare it with the King James Version.

hope it helps!

mnb77