a little surprised to see steven hassan interviewed today on cnn about the anti-vax believers and cult tactics.
here is the link:.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/10/02/steven-hassan-cult-misinformation-anti-vaxxers-ndwknd-vpx.cnn.
DISILLUSIONED JW and FFGHOST:
I do not consider myself an ‘anti-vaxxer’ but have not gotten this particular vaccine..not yet anyway.
I dearly hope to God for the sake of all the millions who have gotten these vaccines (including my relatives and friends)..that you are right in your opinion and that you can keep laughing at and being scornful of people who are afraid to get it..I really do hope you are right!
JOEY JOJO:
With regard to that CO you say was a ‘successful architect’ but was on the podium giving a Sunday talk about how ‘wrong’ higher education is: I would have also been shaking my head hearing this hypocrisy!
How many young people in the audience were influenced to pursue poverty listening to his hypocritical garbage? Hopefully this wasn’t too long ago and anybody who made the mistake of acting on this nonsense can rectify their error. Pity if this was many years ago and such people reached retirement age with little or no preparation. Somebody like this deserves to have needy people who listened to his advice on his doorstep asking for help.
I cannot stress enough that I despise these hypocritical JWs with cushy lives who preached poverty to ME. They tried to interfere and ruin my life back when I was younger. I can get down on my hands and knees in thankfulness that I NEVER listened to this nonsense or I would not be Retired today!
LAMALLCOOL:
In my opinion, definitely one person and possibly another.
From what I observed, Holy Spirit had nothing to do with appointment of elders. In some cases, it seemed somebody wanted it like a political candidate running for office! Then, if there was a need and if there was no opposition from anybody ‘influential’...voila ..there was a new elder. Whether he turned out to be good or bad was anybody’s guess.
SOLOMON:
I am also struck by what I read or hear about elders who turn out to be rip-off artists of one sort or another.. I could not help but feel, sadly, that the JW religion (in general) has too many people who are very adept users. The question is: were they always like that OR did they learn they could get away with being like this?
I can honestly say I wanted No dealings with anybody there and that was back when I was pretty much a ‘believer’. Now..I’d run in the opposite direction!
LAMALLCOOL:
It was a culmination of many things, but that 1995 changed teaching on Generation made me decide I had to get out of the JW religion.
I planned my ‘Fade’ and occupied myself going online and reading their hidden history. I uncovered a mountain of information that was shocking and validated my experiences. I also read ‘Crisis of Conscience’ which was a real eye opener.
My ‘Fade’ was made easier by the bad attitudes and unfriendliness I got from people in the religion because I had a full time job..But, it was worth it to be shunned by these idiots because I’m Retired now.
It was a breath of fresh air to finally be FREE and to pick up where I left off before I set foot in the hall and fell down a rabbit hole.. Good riddance!
2021-september-27-announcement-covid vaccinations.
https://www.filemail.com/d/nvhztnqzuiyilhb.
https://we.tl/t-jn7l6rjrxa.
WING COMMANDER:
I totally believe as you do and I made a comment about it on the thread about the GB.
Yes, the Baby Boomers and those still around from the generation before them are in the most vulnerable category targeted by Covid. These are the most loyal of the religion’s supporters and probably contribute the most $. If they all died suddenly in the pandemic there wouldn’t just be no more $ but I believe the religion would actually collapse!
I also believe the other reasons for the push to vaccinate are because they fear loss of control without in-person meetings. .Zoom can’t cut it forever and people can turn off their cameras and do other things or be in their pajamas. It’s also possible there is outside pressure on all organizations to get their people vaccinated..But I think the first reason is the REAL pressing one. Just my guess.
i've been out of this loop (or any other) for a while.
can someone tell me if the bethel farm facilities are still there in wallkill county, ny?
i was there for about a year.
ETUDE:
In reading your profile and the few posts here, you were in Bethel/farm only a few years. Am I right? If so, consider yourself fortunate (in spite of meeting cruel and unfair people) that you didn’t spend decades of your life there like other bethelites who got kicked out in their fifties because of downsizing..Can you imagine?
The story you relate about how the person above you is always ‘right’ even if they are wrong is something I heard before. Because of this there must be a high degree of inefficiency and mistakes at the bethels because somebody’s ego always needs to be placated and some subordinate person needs to learn their ‘place’..In the outside or Real world, this would be no way to run a business. No way could I have ever made it in that place!
Welcome back to the forum!
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the latest article examines the reasons why it is not scriptural to apply the two witness rule to child sexual abuse cases.. the “two witness rule”, is it scriptural to apply it to child sexual abuse cases?
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A WATCHER:
I thought the same thing.
I believe they might be pushing the vaccine for a few reasons:..their best contributors and loyal supporters are Baby Boomers and a few older ones. These people are in the most vulnerable bracket..If they all died suddenly I believe the religion would be done pretty quickly..They probably know this is an eventuality..but they would rather it not happen all at once.
I also think they feel they are losing control without in-person meetings.. Zoom just isn’t cutting it over a long period of time. Somebody could just switch the camera off, etc. They don’t like that.
There is also the possibility that ‘pressure’ is being put on all organizations to comply with getting vaccinated.
i was appointed as a regular pioneer in a certain congregation.
in that congregation, a very obese male pioneer seduced a nice looking married pioneer sister who had two teenage sons.
her husband was a ms. both were df'd.
SEA BREEZE:
I never heard it quite put that way: “that the Kingdom Hall was too hostile of an environment for you to exist in”.
You are absolutely correct and if many on the forum evaluate their experiences, they would have to admit you are right.👍🏻 It is a fear-based religion with a bullying mentality, filled with gossip and vindictive people. All that togetherness is no good and that boatload of ‘friends’ can turn on a dime and rip somebody’s reputation to shreds and cause distress.
Like you, I also left after the 1995 thing. My personal experience was that I felt I walked a gauntlet of critics. They never liked me since I was an independent single working woman who couldn’t be manipulated.
Getting back to the original thought about scandals: without giving too much information I can say I saw things that didn’t sit well with me even if they were not headline making: favoritism and elders covering up for their kids…They think you are just supposed to shut up and pretend everything is rosy. If you don’t like something then it’s YOUR problem. Such phoniness. I could never be around this anymore. Glad the nightmare is over.
now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.
it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.
with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.
ON THE WAY OUT:
I’m glad you took serious notice about getting a career and a way to retire in “this system of things” when that 1995 teaching on Generation came out! That’s twenty six years ago and that’s a serious amount of time to sock money away or be vested in a company’s retirement plan.
This teaching should have also been a wake-up call for everybody else there as well. Those that were not ‘serious’ about their jobs, their future or old age should have taken this as a warning and done something about it ASAP!..If they didn’t that’s too bad.
I was horrified when I heard this Generation teaching and knew it was all over for me as far as staying in the religion..so I planned my ‘Fade’.. I was already gainfully employed and was GLAD I ignored the critics in the religion and held onto my job until Retirement.. I hope these JWs who were critical and thought they were so ‘spiritual’ can pay their bills because I’m glad I’m not around them to hear sob stories and appeals for money.
minimus former jw, prolific poster on jwn died.. minimus.
joined 19 years ago.
started 4,139 topics.
WAS A NEW BOY:
Thanks for thinking of me! I have been reading here but just haven’t posted.
I really do hope this is incorrect news about Minimus because he will be missed.
