Posts by LongHairGal

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Ukraine and Armageddon

by jhine in

i'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here and guess that the watchtower is having a wonderful time over the whole ukraine situation.

is the whole " end of times " thing being pushed again to bring dissidents back into line .

they must be seeing as a gift from above .

LongHairGal

PISTOLPETE:

All that you say is true but what is most unforgivable, in my book, is that I was treated like Typhoid Mary or like I had a Scarlet Letter!

The religion engendered hateful attitudes and the people in the congregation carried it out towards people like me. But, I knew I had to support myself. I don’t know if I can only credit my non-JW upbringing but I’m glad I had the strength of character to ignore all this.

I remained on the fringes of the congregation with few friends. In time, I did a ‘Fade’ and am now retired from my secular job. Even though I have a few fond memories of some of the elderly JWs who were decent to me (and perhaps knew of the injustice of pushing poverty, etc.) I have NO pity for the younger pioneers there who looked down on me and were invited everywhere. I’d run from them.

Maybe they can track down some of those ‘spiritual’ friends and ask THEM for money. In the meantime, they wish and hope for the Apocalypse to happen!

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Ukraine and Armageddon

by jhine in

i'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here and guess that the watchtower is having a wonderful time over the whole ukraine situation.

is the whole " end of times " thing being pushed again to bring dissidents back into line .

they must be seeing as a gift from above .

LongHairGal

PISTOLPETE:

This is a human tragedy that isn’t talked about.

These Witnesses just suffer in silence. The elderly man you mentioned is damn lucky he’s still able to get around and also that he has a younger wife!!..Does the religion care? Ha!

The reason he gets a pathetically low amount from SS was because he worked part-time!..In order to get a decent benefit from SS a person needs to work full-time for decades.

It’s too bad the older struggling JWs today didn’t know this years ago..No, instead they listened to foolish bullshit and were lulled into a sleep mode. Meanwhile, the clock was ticking!.. It makes me very angry that some of the older JWs back then pushing poverty were themselves collecting a pension!..This hypocrisy is unforgivable and I am so Glad I never listened.

So, what we see today are older JWs hoping for Armageddon (whether it comes because of Ukraine or some other place) as the solution for their predicament.

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Ukraine and Armageddon

by jhine in

i'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here and guess that the watchtower is having a wonderful time over the whole ukraine situation.

is the whole " end of times " thing being pushed again to bring dissidents back into line .

they must be seeing as a gift from above .

LongHairGal

SOLOMON:

You nailed it. So many Witnesses want the End to come because they are miserable living in this world because they were urged Not to prepare for old age and retirement.

So, instead of getting decent jobs/careers with benefits years ago, they were conned into working part time, etc. so they could be in the ministry..They got lots of praise and were invited to special gatherings (as though that means anything now)🙄.. They had nothing but disdain for people like myself who worked full-time.

Well, now these Witnesses have reached retirement age and Armageddon hasn’t come yet. They are panicked. Some still working at hard manual labor their bodies can’t take. Others are asking other JWs for money. These people all want the End to come because of the predicament they are in.

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Geehovah this and Geehovah that.

by Foolednomore in

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some jw's used geehovah like a worn out sunday dish rag.

and so as those with a trade or talent.

in my hall my family owned an auto repair shop.

LongHairGal

FOOLEDNOMORE:

Yes, a lot of Witnesses did over-use that name. And, too many imagined they were ‘owed’ something by other people there!

I noticed that if anybody in the congregation had anything desirable..like a trade, or a business or auto repair shop like your family had..these Users automatically imagined they should get things for next to nothing if not free!..Who gave them this sense of entitlement?? They were misled.

There is also something to be said for keeping your business to yourself as much as possible. Although, I realize that a person’s general story will become known before long. The word ‘No’ should become something people learn how to say when dealing with JWs..Even if you have to practice in front of a mirror.

After I saw the bad attitude towards me and other people with decent jobs or a career, I made sure I said NO to anything any nervy Witness would ask. After a while they didn’t ask anymore..These hypocrites didn’t get to criticize me and then ask for money..It doesn’t work that way!

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JW’s and Charity Organizations

by longgone in

i was wondering if anyone is aware of the jw’s in general being involved financially and/or as volunteers in charity organizations?

i was a born in jw for 56 years and left in 2016. as far as i remember there was never any encouragement to help in the community in any way.

including soup kitchens, tutoring at schools, united way, etc.

LongHairGal

FOOLEDNOMORE:

I can’t believe the ‘brothers’ came around asking for cash because they learned there was a family inheritance!!!

Never heard this before but they are becoming ever nervier.

Maybe somebody in your immediate family or JW relative bragged about it. The fact is:..somebody opened their mouth.

I never had Witnesses in my family so the idiocy of blabbing personal business - especially financial affairs - (like a 5 year old child) was incomprehensible to me..Any adult who opens their mouth like this doesn’t have the brains they were born with as far as I’m concerned.

I’m glad your dad had the sense to tell the ‘brothers’ to ‘get lost’ whether it was tactful or not.. They deserve to be told off a lot worse!

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Counseling for Ex JW

by Iamallcool in

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i have been thinking that it would be very nice if the us government would be willing to fund ex jw counseling services all over the united states.

i understand that many counselors do not really understand ex jw issues but we can educate them if we have additional funds, etc…if someone here is willing to write a letter to their local representative about it, that would be great!

.

LongHairGal

CARLA:

From what I have heard not all therapists are knowledgeable about cults/high control groups. I imagine it would be frustrating to have to literally explain from A to Z to some professional.

I never got therapy when I ‘Faded’ from the religion but maybe I wasn’t as bad off since I was not raised in this awful religion.

I do remember feeling somewhat annoyed when I met people who knew absolutely nothing about the Witnesses. The average person knows nothing about them except they go door to door.

The uninformed public sadly cannot know the damage that can be done to people - and only see (as you mentioned) ‘a quirky group that dresses nice’, etc…They also wonder how you ‘could have fallen for this’.🙄 I try to explain that “I was only interested in end-time prophecy and they misrepresented what they were”.

Yes, it was a mistake and a lesson learned but I’m glad I’m Out. At least I quit smoking 😊.

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JW’s and Charity Organizations

by longgone in

i was wondering if anyone is aware of the jw’s in general being involved financially and/or as volunteers in charity organizations?

i was a born in jw for 56 years and left in 2016. as far as i remember there was never any encouragement to help in the community in any way.

including soup kitchens, tutoring at schools, united way, etc.

LongHairGal

SMIDDY3:

Yes, the JW religion gives nothing to anybody. This is in sharp contrast to the churches of Christendom who have all sorts of programs to help people.

What’s particularly shameful is these laid-off JW workers were working for the religion, not anybody else!..The idea they are sent back to home congregations with the assumption that people THERE are going provide for their needs is outrageous.

Does anyone have the audacity to imagine they are going to corner ‘responsible’ people criticized for having decent jobs???

I am so Glad I am long gone from this hypocritical religion!!…I have no interest or pity for pioneers who didn’t plan for their own future!..Also, the ones kicked out of bethel are going to need brothers with businesses to give them jobs.

Too many of these bethelites made stupid or derogatory remarks about people with jobs. As far as I’m concerned, they richly deserve to know what it’s like to work for a living like the rest of the world they looked down on when at their ivory tower at bethel.

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Gossip

by Rattigan350 in

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friends

question for former elders:.

how much of your time was spent quelling gossip and rumors floating around.

i'm not talking about csa type stuff, just regular insignficant stuff that people occupied their time over..

LongHairGal

HOSER:

I was that ‘low hour publisher’. I came into the JW religion with a full time job which I refused to quit to appease older busybody hypocrites with cushy lives!!

I was also scrutinized because of figure and clothing. I tried to dress modestly. People like me ‘on the fringes of the congregation’ were targets of gossip. I had few friends..In my opinion, Witnesses who are born-in are at the heart of the gossip and perceive themselves as just a little bit better than other people there…To me, they were just mentally-stunted morons. I saw Stepford-type wives and men with a 1950s type mentality.

I am Retired and Out many years. I am thankful that I resisted gossip/shunning all those years ago. I have seen all the changes in the religion. The people who avoided me back then because I worked and didn’t ‘pioneer’ have reached retirement age.. I’m glad I’m not around them to hear appeals for money because I would have no pity for them.

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Sociopaths - What's Your Story?

by Sea Breeze in

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friends

first - some facts about sociopaths.

1 out of 100 people are sociopathic and they are rational people.

they are not deluded.. 2. they display a lack of conscience, an inability to feel remorse, and above average intelligence .

LongHairGal

NEAT BLUE DOG:

Even back when I was a ‘believer’ I was aware of JWs who were con-artist types.

Did I have these instincts because I was not raised in the religion and worked? Who knows? All I knew was there were people there who were full of sh#t and I avoided them.

I also feel that even though in the world you will find con artist types, I believe they are over-represented in the religion.

Again, I blame the stupid culture there with ‘no boundaries’ and being told you should ‘widen out’. But, what were you widening out to? ..I’m not being targeted by people who are desperadoes or crazies. (In case any aren’t aware, people with serious ‘issues’ were brought into the religion the last two decades. They did this to fill the empty seats in the halls.)

The demographic in the religion has changed for the worse.

I also think the culture of the religion inadvertently creates very adept Users. People may not have joined as one but they become one. Some of them now are older and more desperate and they don’t feel shame..All these are reasons contributing to why I’m Glad to no longer be in this religion.

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Gossip

by Rattigan350 in

jw
friends

question for former elders:.

how much of your time was spent quelling gossip and rumors floating around.

i'm not talking about csa type stuff, just regular insignficant stuff that people occupied their time over..

LongHairGal

HIDDLESWIFE:

Everything you say is true, especially the part about if a JW is not liked by another their reputation will be trashed..I also agree that the religion encourages snitching and gossiping. In fact, they go hand in hand.

Also what you said about knowing elders and MSs’ who divulge things is sad and I have known about this all along. There is No confidentiality and certainly No accountability.

I will say this though: I knew of old time elders who would Never do this. But the old adage about ‘the chain is only as strong as its weakest link’ holds true. It makes No difference if five elders are ‘by the book’ and discreet and there is One who doesn’t care and opens his mouth!..The secrets are out and the cat is out of the bag.

But, the heart of the matter: in my opinion I truly do not believe the Witnesses REALLY care about confidentiality or anybody’s privacy. They are the antithesis of privacy. They only give lip service to the idea of privacy. Anybody who believes they really care about the average R&Fs privacy, dignity or rights has been fooled.