MUM:
Yeah, like not going to the meetings..🤣
what was your opinion about november broadcast with tony morris( maeby it's december)?
saw small parts of it.
i thought it was extrem desperation.
MUM:
Yeah, like not going to the meetings..🤣
the watchtower—study edition | january 2023. study article 3. jehovah is helping you to succeed.
how jehovah makes you successful.
13. does jehovah intervene in every situation we face?
FEDUP:
Again, sorry about your parents and how they were cast aside and ignored in their old age - after you once said ALL they did for the religion.
In my case, I’d never expect anything from the congregation because they never got so much as the right time from me.🤣 But, that’s what happens when you shun people because of their jobs.
In the OP, who knows if this is a real person. While I don’t doubt that sometimes the ‘Friends’ could be kind bringing over soup, etc., in my opinion the article might give a wrong impression to people in the hall who have unrealistic expectations about other JWs. For instance: they might imagine somebody there is going to pay their bills.
I knew I was on my own and had to look after myself.
my father would have started college 49 years ago this week.
about three months earlier, the week he graduated high school, the awake!
magazine came out with some very clear direction to teenagers.
I decided to bump this four year old thread to the top. The OP made an excellent post. It’s one of the best I’ve read on this subject. There are so many new posters on the forum in the last few years.
This topic about JWs who never got a career or a good job decades ago and are suffering this very day has been mentioned lately. There are TOO many needy people scraping by in the religion. Sadly, this 1969 Awake article might have been the reason why in some cases.
in the latest copy of the elders textbook someone kindly made available to us on this website, i see that "independently organized meetings for spiritual feeding" are still not allowed.
no wonder because independent research would let the scales fall from the eyes.. the gb still insisting that they are guided by the (always lower case) holy spirit and the bible!!
not that the rank and file members need the bible or holy spirit themselves because they are fed through meetings, conventions, assemblies, jw broadcasting and the publications.
LOST IN THE FOG:
After what happened in the early 1980s with some JWs who talked or studied privately, and ended up leaving the religion - there was a crackdown on independent groups.
It didn’t matter how well-intentioned anything appeared. If it wasn’t under the supervision of the control freaks in the hall they wanted it stopped. They are THAT afraid of anybody questioning or thinking on their own.
this youtube video about the dangers of the watchtower and jehovah’s witnesses is less than a year old and already approaching 5 million views...approximately 21 thousand visits a day!.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gdwhdj7plwo.
FISHERMAN:
The people I was referring were victims in some fashion - not anybody who committed ‘immorality’, like the bunch of people you are referring to who want to do ‘whatever the heck they want’.. You take care as well.
this youtube video about the dangers of the watchtower and jehovah’s witnesses is less than a year old and already approaching 5 million views...approximately 21 thousand visits a day!.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gdwhdj7plwo.
FISHERMAN:
We aren’t talking about the 40k and more people that you claim are ‘kicked out’ for ‘adultery, sex related sins, drug use, etc.’. I’m also aware of people who left through the back door. I assume this means Fading. I did this. I wasn’t guilty of ANY of the above ‘sins’. I left because of the 1995 Generation teaching. I was done with it. Period.
I see you take offense about the term ‘in danger and trapped’. This term may not apply to adults who voluntarily walk out but it certainly WOULD apply to a minor trapped in a bad situation. Also, since the JW religion isolates people, they perceive they have nowhere to go. If they are also victims of shunning the mental anguish is double. I get the sense you don’t see anything wrong with shunning.
When you talk about the message and ‘God punishes’ - are you talking about the future or now? If you are talking about now, how dare anybody there be presumptuous enough to imagine they have the right.
As far as ‘getting even’: I am sure many people feel this way because of how they were treated. Thankfully, I wasn’t raised a JW and never allowed them to dictate to me about my job. Others, unfortunately, listened to their detriment and are suffering today. I can only imagine how they must feel.
this youtube video about the dangers of the watchtower and jehovah’s witnesses is less than a year old and already approaching 5 million views...approximately 21 thousand visits a day!.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gdwhdj7plwo.
FISHERMAN:
I just watched the video. I don’t know how you can say it ‘misrepresents’ the religion. Why? Because these things didn’t happen in your congregation or to anybody you know? So, therefore, they aren’t true..🙄
As I was watching the parts about the child abuse, I wondered how this happened - and I’m referring to incidents outside of a family. I believe this came about because of No boundaries and trusting everybody (which nobody should).. I was not raised in the Witness religion (thank God), and I can honestly say my parents would Never have left any of us children alone in the company of strangers!.. Problem is JWs imagine that anybody in the congregation is their ‘brother’. Big mistake.
With regard to the shunning: again I’m Glad I wasn’t raised a JW.. I experienced it to a degree. Now, I couldn’t care less what any of them thought about me. I’d be starving if I listened to them.
No, I don’t think it misrepresents the religion. You just don’t like that people are actually talking about and publicizing what really goes on there!
so there's this middle age pioneer couple.
he works part time and the wife doesn't work at all.
their daughter is getting married and even though it is known they go on multiple vacations a year, they expect the grooms parents to pay for 100% of the wedding!
BETH SARIM:
Thanks. It’s scary and I cringe when I think about it. I still have to watch my pennies though!
It’s just too bad that history keeps repeating itself in the religion! People there just suffer generationally in silence!.. What I think is bad is when someone older doesn’t warn someone younger. Back in the day when I was In, I pulled aside some young (entitled) pioneers and warned them they have to save and provide for their old age and retirement. This was my non-JW upbringing speaking up! Whether or not these people heeded my warning, who knows?
I just hope that more younger people in the religion look around them at older people who are struggling today and realize they have to plan. Hopefully, any lurkers on the forum will notice. Naturally, there will be the scoffers who won’t but what can you do?
i was thinking about freedom of speech after watching a clip about the jw suing kevin mcfree.
they wanted to take away his freedom of speech.
but in thinking about it, that is the way of the organization, save they want to control thought as well.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH:
I’m sure this Norway thing is making the JW religion afraid.
Not just loss of funding but having a magnifying glass and light shined on the religion’s practices and culture. They don’t want this advertised and the world knowing what really happens there.
Yes, I always believed the JW religion hates the idea of free speech - for their followers especially! This is why they LOVED the days before the internet when disfellowshipped people or those who just walked away had no place to vent their feelings. If somebody was wronged or victimized they wanted you to just Go Away and disappear into the night. Just suck it up and get lost…They don’t want anybody around speaking up about what happened to them. They hate this.
Well, Thank God for the Internet.
so there's this middle age pioneer couple.
he works part time and the wife doesn't work at all.
their daughter is getting married and even though it is known they go on multiple vacations a year, they expect the grooms parents to pay for 100% of the wedding!
BETH SARIM:
Totally out-of-date thinking, but it’s still going on even at this late date!
I had this conversation just recently with one of my old Witness friends I’m in contact with. She is in denial about everything and imagines she can get me to go back to the religion 🤣. I told her what I went through and what I would face - if I were dumb enough to set foot there.. She never gives up her preachiness.
I told her I wouldn’t tolerate it. No thanks. 👎