Posts by LongHairGal

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You can [not] trust the Brothers, wt study this week

by waton in

for the lucid lurkers: # 37. the article's examples really show, that among the 'name people' only 50 % of rank and file, and none of the leaders can be trusted all the time.

but, shut up and put up.. eli and hannah, eli's sons committed gross sins, raping/ seducing woman visitors to the temple, for years, yet naive worshippers are to trust their brothers, even with their children ?

inaction by wt approved?

LongHairGal

The reason they have to touch on this topic, in my opinion, is because the demographics and things inside the congregations have changed. You have to wonder just what kind of victimization some people have experienced!

Back in the day when I was ‘in’, I NEVER had any business dealings with JWs and never wanted to. And THIS was back when people were more ‘responsible’ types. But, there was always a con artist here and there. Unfortunately, they were always there like threads in the fabric. I knew enough to avoid them and I had heightened senses because I wasn’t raised a JW and worked full-time. I was well aware of jealous idiots and deadbeats looking for handouts.

But, NOW…you can totally forget about it !! I’m Out many years and am well aware of all the changes in the religion as well as the changed demographic and things in the world being a bit worse.. Most of the elderly responsible types (hit up for money the most) are passing away. What is left in congregations are less affluent and more ‘needy’ types.. A lot are needy because they followed the religion’s advice not to get careers or plan for their retirement. Anybody else left in the congregations who looks even halfway decent or has a job - would be targeted left and right!

I am Glad I am long gone from this religion.

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How do Jehovah's Witnesses differ from first century Christians?

by Vanderhoven7 in

let me start with a couple of distinctions.. first century christians:.

1. baptized military personnel.. 2. baptized men with political authority.

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LongHairGal

VANDERHOVEN7:

Some good examples are mentioned here…

However, the world today is a very different place than the world of the 1st century. In fact, the whole planet is different.

There are things that might have been done in the First Century (in the Middle East) that somebody might have a problem with now. I’m speaking about certain oddballs who thought they were going to roam around like vagabonds or live off the land imagining that’s what the disciples did.. Well, whose land?? For one thing, if somebody even wanted to go fishing they would need permits, etc. Since most of the land is either owned by the government or individuals, hungry people couldn’t just poach whatever off the property. I mean they could try but what happens when they are caught?

Also, this isn’t the culture of ancient times where people take guests in as a custom (well, not unless you want a problem with squatters who won’t leave). Also, people are less trustworthy today, in my opinion, and that’s putting it mildly. Whereas people from a distant era had codes of honor.

So, I don’t really think there is a fair comparison between now and the first century.

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Christmas, yes or no ?

by jhine in

i have just started to steep the mincemeat for my mince pies in dark rum .

christmas is a big deal in my family and circle of friends.

however among ex jws it's a bit different or so l understand.

LongHairGal

JHINE:

I was raised Roman Catholic and I love Christmas. It reminds me of happy times in my childhood before I made the mistake years later of getting involved with the JWs.

I loved and still love the evergreens, the wonderful smells of cooking and baking, presents and seeing relatives!

I know about the ‘pagan’ origins and this doesn’t bother me since many things in our modern culture have pagan origins. For example: the days of the week and months of the year.

In my opinion, the REAL reason the Witnesses don’t want you celebrating Christmas and other holidays is because they don’t want you spending time in the company of non-Witness friends and relatives. They are afraid if you experience unconditional love by people who are not in the religion judging you every step of the way, you might not want to remain in the JW religion!

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List of Things We Were NOT Allowed To Do as JW's

by Sea Breeze in

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here's my list of jw no-no's as i recall: .

1. no giving or accepting valentine candy for students.

2. no going to home coming football games.

LongHairGal

SEA BREEZE:

This is all enough to make me puke and I’m sorry for all you born-ins! If this isn’t enough to make anybody neurotic I don’t know what is.

As far as I was concerned, I made enough concessions at the time to be in that stupid religion. I was leading a moral life and was not engaging in any bad habits or addictions.

Even when I was IN, I didn’t care if they didn’t like me because I had a full-time job. Certainly, I never troubled my head about any except the most basic things on your list. The rest would be enough to keep many ex-Witnesses in therapy for a long time, in my opinion! They have my condolences.

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How get out of watchtower?

by Hellothere in

how do you get out of watchtower?

am i supposed to write letter to bethel or local congregation telling them i don't want to be a jw anymore?

how are the steps.

LongHairGal

HELLOTHERE:

Just stop going.

At the time I just wanted Out with no drama so that’s what I did. Good Luck on your journey!

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Why isn't this forum growing like reddit exjw??

by nowwhat? in

admittedly it 90% crap over there but still they are up to 80k in subscribers.

over here it's the same half dozen or so that posts something, including myself.

why is that?.

LongHairGal

PEACEFUL PETE:

Of all those observations Riley made he used the term ‘anti vaxxer’ to mean the wrong thing.

He’s referring to people who don’t want the Covid vaccine. Whereas the term anti-vaxxer REALLY refers to people who don’t believe in the childhood vaccines that we, hopefully, all got.. The confused public conflates the two things even though they are separate and distinct issues.. The so-called ‘experts’ like this confusion.

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Isn’t It A Materialistic, Even Selfish Hope

by BluesBrother in

as witnesses we always looked forward to the new world but the talks were more about the incoming king and man’s freedom from oppression.

although we looked forward to the good things ,we recognised that initially things may be hard .

we would have to cope with physical work , and lack of many things we were used to today.

LongHairGal

FEDUPJW:

I’m glad you asked that JW if he would still be running the ‘hamster wheel’ if there were no paradise, etc. The true answer is No, he probably would not be.

Neither would the majority of Witnesses, I would wager. After all, the whole premise of the religion all along was the promise of some maybe never having to see death after Armageddon wiped everybody else out - and then living in the ‘new earth’/‘paradise’ with promise of resurrection, etc. This is the carrot on the stick that a significant amount of people were attracted to.

The fact that the recent Covid pandemic of the last two+ years did not bring about the End of this ‘system of things’, has been a major disappointment to many of the older JWs.. Many of them have been living on the edge and never planned properly (or even at all) for their retirement - and they made sure they knocked anybody who did! They were told they ‘didn’t need’ careers or retirement planning since Armageddon was going to solve that problem. Now they are worried and angry in some cases.

The whole religion’s claim to fame is its promise of a paradise life here on earth. If it didn’t have that it would resemble the other religions that teach about a heavenly afterlife. Wouldn’t it be a shame for all those JWs who ‘sacrificed’ for years if ‘new light’ were to take that promise away!

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Judgment Day

by Fisherman in

a specific “day,” or period, when particular groups, nations, or mankind in general are called to account by god.

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“i solemnly charge you before god and christ jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead,”- 2 tim 4:1. seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it.

LongHairGal

PUNKOFNICE:

I tend to agree with much of what you say.

Theologians have been arguing these things for centuries. Some people today imagine they have a special insight that nobody in the past had.🙄. Some are obsessed and will be arguing this the rest of their lives. I agree with you that there is ‘life out there’ and this is a waste of time.

Whether there is a judgement day or not, I think all any of us can do is be the best person we can be.. What I DON’T believe is that there is ‘salvation’ having anything to do with rituals or repeating prayers or chants over and over, never-ending study of so-called ‘sacred’ writings, abasing yourself, abstinence from whatever (unless it’s criminal behavior and harming others), doing or not doing certain things public or private, going to a certain place, wearing or not wearing a certain type of clothing, eating or not eating certain types of foods, etc. ad nauseam.

Some might insist on believing these things. Let them.

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Jehovah's New Light

by Vanderhoven7 in

what new light from jehovah did you find hard to swallow?.

the conversations in the attached video are enlightening.

the graphic is hilarious.. https://youtu.be/byj3zrpbuvg.

LongHairGal

SMIDDY3:

I know what you mean about it sometimes taking a few years for things to ‘sink in’. When people thought about the 1995 Generation change they realized the implications and either were compelled to leave OR change their habits.

I came in a few years after the 1975 fiasco. Nobody mentioned this while I was studying or I might’ve had second thoughts about joining the Witnesses.

What the 1975 article taught was directly opposed to the practical working person I was. That’s why those idiots all hated me because I wouldn’t quit my job and take up the (expected) housecleaning/pioneering and doing favors for Users and affluent old ladies like some SUCKER... Well, the old ladies all passed away!.. Any single woman who never got married/had a career - conned into doing favors like a chump, minding everybody else’s business (instead of her own) has found herself needy in her senior years!.. I cringe when I think about this because this is what the religion tried to do to me. Thankfully, I resisted. Can you imagine? They certainly wouldn’t be supporting me.

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Jehovah's New Light

by Vanderhoven7 in

what new light from jehovah did you find hard to swallow?.

the conversations in the attached video are enlightening.

the graphic is hilarious.. https://youtu.be/byj3zrpbuvg.

LongHairGal

VANDERHOVEN7:

One wouldn’t be the 1995 changed teaching on Generation, would it?.. This preceded the pathetic joke teaching of ‘Overlapping Generation’ which came some years later. Although by this time I was already Out.

It was sheer self-control that stopped me from literally walking out the kingdom hall door when they were studying this article about Generation in 1995. I got hold of myself but knew my time in the Witness religion was over.

Apparently, I wasn’t the only one who thought this because MANY left the religion in the several years after this 1995 thing... And those JWs who were wise saw the wake-up call and made important changes in their lives - like getting a decent job before it was too late that would provide for their future.