personally i think they gonna realise god's not backing org.
that idea gonna get even more established in their minds.
i think the real selling of kingdom hall gonna start then.
NOT FORMER:
How things have changed over the decades!
The nature of the cases now is that the Witnesses are not the victims anymore! No, now it appears they are in the role of ‘bad guy’ and trampling somebody else’s human rights.
If this religion was running the whole show there would be a world-wide dictatorship.
for those of you who are pimo, how do you feel it may be effecting your mental and physical health?
is it easy to pretend to be what you are not?
how do you feel about falsely supporting the pimi which builds them up and therefore an org you don't believe in?
WOKENFROMJWCULT:
I assume you are referring to the 1995 changed Generation teaching! One might have thought it would bring things down like a House of Cards, but that was not to be!
This certainly woke me up and I felt like I had been punched in the gut when I heard it. I knew then and there I had to get out and that we were being strung along like fools.. I was super right to have held onto my job.. I made plans to ‘Fade’.
While some Witnesses remained ‘asleep’, other thinking JWs left the religion in the years after that.. Some JWs who stayed (maybe PIMO) realized they needed to get better jobs because they certainly were going to grow old ‘in this system of things’.
This was twenty nine years ago and certainly somebody would have been able to do something to prepare financially in that amount of time.. I’m glad for their sake if some JWs did!
hi, i was df'd in jan 09. have not been in touch much with the jws apart from a few memorials i went to.. what with all the online presence they have nowadays, it just feels like a totally different religion.
i have seen them with their tablets and phones at the hall, hardly any physical bibles or books at all, makes me think how ai (or the borg) could so easily change words and phrasing in the bible to suit them without making a big deal of it, like 'a new light' talk or wt article.
doctrinally has much changed since 2009?.
KERRY KING:
While the religion isn’t worthy of a ‘second thought’, there were major changes in beliefs in the Annual Meeting of 2023.. Some older die-hards are very bothered by this.
For one thing, the religion did away with the hundred year old requirement for regular publishers to count time and submit a slip.. This bothered me because I was judged over this.. Thank God I never listened. They also said something along the lines of how people can repent at the last minute. There were other things I can’t remember at the moment but if you do some digging on here you can find some threads that explain everything more thoroughly.
Oh, last but not least, beards are finally allowed!🙄
going door to door with their "memorial" invitation.
"so you can pass the emblems but nobody partakes?
them: "we can explain who is to partake".. me: "all jesus' followers".
WING COMMANDER:
Your post is one hundred percent accurate as to what the JW religion is!!! If I could smash the like button more times I would.
It really is bullshit their so-called urgency and I thought so myself that if they were really doing a warning work they would use the media.. Think about it: if people in a community needed to be warned about some impending danger - they wouldn’t send old ladies out door-to-door putting fliers in people’s doors would they? Everything else you said I have said so myself.
They take and offer nothing! NO material aid whatsoever in the way of soup kitchens, etc. like the churches of ‘Babylon the Great’ offer to the needy...One might think that with all the poor and needy the JWs created who followed their bad advice not to get careers - that they would set up some facility for assistance. But No. Any so-called help is like a mirage in the desert.. They have the balls to think the fewer responsible members left in congregations are going to give these people money and in effect support them til they die. The idea is ludicrous and unsustainable.
Some ‘brothers’ were in my area in the summer and came to my door. I was polite to them but told them plainly that I would never go back there and would not give money to people who never worked (I got criticized for working)…nor would I tolerate the panhandling that has come to be there.
one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.
he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .
what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.
FOOLEDNOMORE:
I feel as you do - that the Damage is done!
While many here have family in who are shunning them, I don’t.. I just had a few ‘friends’ there and as the expression goes: “With friends like that, who needs enemies.”
I think we should all be suspicious of any attempts to bring us back - because I think it’s all about the empty $eats there they desperately want to fill.. They have a big problem of too many Baby Boomers who followed their advice and hit retirement age with no preparation or savings.👎 They also have those passing away and that leaves fewer people to hit up for money!
one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.
he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .
what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.
MAGNUM:
I agree with you that what’s going on in the JW religion is real stuff and not some fiction on TV.
Not that there’s anything wrong with watching fiction on TV, but people have a right to see what’s going on in an organization that has affected many people’s lives.
When I saw the change at the recent annual meeting where they took away the century old requirement to report hours, I took notice! I was judged over this! Thank God I never listened…I know it means zero now that I was persona non grata and not invited to special dinners back then because I worked.. But, I am mindful that others who did listen are far more impacted!
I wish them all the best and hope they get a break.
someone else posted something a similar experience, this is one i had regarding my mom.my mom died last year.
she had been in failing health for years, but the last 2 year were pretty rough for her, with lots of visits to the hospital.
the last 4 months, it was the hospital, a skilled nursing facility/rehab unit, and finally, a nursing home.
ROAD TO NOWHERE:
Yes, I do believe FOOLEDNOMORE should be aware of this.
DESIROUS OF CHANGE:
So you were pleasantly surprised that your mom got attention? It can go either way. I’m sure the ‘friends’ who showed interest in her are okay.. But I am a suspicious person about people in general (doesn’t matter what religion, etc.) and would take precautions just in case.
My family are not Witnesses and would not be fooled or trusting like some JWs would be. When my grandmother needed attention and strangers (nurses aides and the like) had to come and look in on her, my family was prepared.. Her whole apartment had been gone through beforehand and not one item of value was left there for anybody to pocket!
Sorry if anybody doesn’t like hearing this but that’s the way it is.
there is a new approach to ministry where the direction is to just talk to people and listen to what they want to talk about.
the new school for the midweek meeting is completely different and is all about the new approach .
even before the no reporting changes field service dropped right off.
MIKE JW:
I was a person who was judged back in the day because I worked full-time and was considered a ‘low hour publisher’.
When I heard they did away with counting time in 2023, I was super-Glad to have paid no mind to the criticism I got! ..It turned out all these years later to be well worth it that I wasn’t invited to those special ‘gatherings’ and dinners!..
This ‘next generation’ of JWs are wise to not pioneer and instead get educated so as to have good jobs.👍🏻 ..Otherwise, they will be like Witnesses now who have reached retirement age unprepared and asking struggling people in the congregation for money!
You talk about mental issues there and I’m not surprised. I can imagine that there must be bitterness towards brothers who misled and gave bad advice. I’m very glad I got out of this religion years ago.
hi friends, i have not been on this board in awhile, and i would like to get some thoughts from some of you.
i have noticed a change within my 4 siblings in approximately the last year and a half to 2 years regarding their communication with my mother and i. they have either phoned us, texted, emailed, or written a letter or card to us.
the conversation has been good, and on any topic that comes to mind.
TRUTH AND JUSTICE:
I don’t blame you for being resentful over these people ignoring/mistreating you for so long with the result being ruined family relationships. Years have passed and they just imagine they can try to come back into your life with no apologies !!!
Witnesses are deceived into believing people are like a light switch that can be turned On or Off.. They are so wrong.
I believe the reason JWs are ‘reaching out’ to estranged people is a combination of factors: the bad publicity the religion is getting and/or the realization that they have driven SO many away with their toxic environment and arrogance..Their numbers are declining and elderly Baby Boomers make up a significant portion of whatever people still go there.. They probably see the handwriting on the wall.
i had to attend a family event recently which involved attending the kh.
before i went i had it in my mind this was going to be a different experience.
tbh i’ve had an interest in super hero socks.
JOE134CD:
I would say it’s a subtle statement made without uttering a word. But, it might not have been noticed unless somebody was really checking you out.
