Posts by LongHairGal

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Holding a grudge

by LongHairGal in

i read something recently on reddit (not sure what thread) where a person related how some jw told them that ‘they hold a grudge’.. this reminded me of something an old jw acquaintance said to me some years back when i related my bad experience in the religion.. so, apparently, jehovah’s witnesses feel they should be forgiven for anything.

people should forget all about it and act like nothing happened and be charitable towards them, etc… when i read in james and ephesians i got the sense ‘holding a grudge’ was referring to the things average people do to offend each other.. i don’t see it applying to a religion that claimed to speak for god and who engendered hateful and unchristian attitudes towards people.. i know because i experienced this.. in addition, some people’s lives were damaged by listening to faulty teachings and interference in things that were clearly none of anybody’s business.. one case in point: them knocking worldly careers and now there are thousands of destitute jws in senior years with nothing.. then in 2023 the religion does away with a century old teaching about counting hours in the ministry.

meanwhile, i got judged over this.

LongHairGal

JHINE:

I agree with you. But the religion would see any opposition as grudge or persecution. They expect people to have the memory of a fly and forget what they did.

WING COMMANDER:

I know what your mom experienced with stupid jealous individuals. Although I was certainly Not ‘meek’.. But, I had a double whammy: I was criticized by some with No idea what it was like to work; they shunned me BUT some acted like I somehow ‘owed’ somebody something!! Anybody who thought this was delusional.. I never gave anything to these pioneers who chimed in with the chorus and criticized me for working.

I agree that these changes are a slap in the face - especially the one about no longer counting time.. Boy, am I glad I kept on working until retirement and never listened to these people.. As you say, it’s a giant STFU. I can’t even feel sorry for anybody still listening to them at this late date.. The religion and their ‘no apologies’ can shove it.

I still think they will lose more people over time and it won’t mean anything to some that they have ‘loosened up’ some things.

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Holding a grudge

by LongHairGal in

i read something recently on reddit (not sure what thread) where a person related how some jw told them that ‘they hold a grudge’.. this reminded me of something an old jw acquaintance said to me some years back when i related my bad experience in the religion.. so, apparently, jehovah’s witnesses feel they should be forgiven for anything.

people should forget all about it and act like nothing happened and be charitable towards them, etc… when i read in james and ephesians i got the sense ‘holding a grudge’ was referring to the things average people do to offend each other.. i don’t see it applying to a religion that claimed to speak for god and who engendered hateful and unchristian attitudes towards people.. i know because i experienced this.. in addition, some people’s lives were damaged by listening to faulty teachings and interference in things that were clearly none of anybody’s business.. one case in point: them knocking worldly careers and now there are thousands of destitute jws in senior years with nothing.. then in 2023 the religion does away with a century old teaching about counting hours in the ministry.

meanwhile, i got judged over this.

LongHairGal

PHIZZY:

I am glad you understand. And we are not talking about one individual here - but a large entity/corporation with an international presence.

As long as a person is getting on with their life and fairly happy, then they can spend time online to counter the JWs damaging teachings - without harming themselves.. We have been there so we know everything. I have always felt this religion should be exposed so that the whole world knows what’s really going on there and what the fruitage is.. And I don’t consider impoverished and/or depressed people on medication to be good fruitage for any group!

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Holding a grudge

by LongHairGal in

i read something recently on reddit (not sure what thread) where a person related how some jw told them that ‘they hold a grudge’.. this reminded me of something an old jw acquaintance said to me some years back when i related my bad experience in the religion.. so, apparently, jehovah’s witnesses feel they should be forgiven for anything.

people should forget all about it and act like nothing happened and be charitable towards them, etc… when i read in james and ephesians i got the sense ‘holding a grudge’ was referring to the things average people do to offend each other.. i don’t see it applying to a religion that claimed to speak for god and who engendered hateful and unchristian attitudes towards people.. i know because i experienced this.. in addition, some people’s lives were damaged by listening to faulty teachings and interference in things that were clearly none of anybody’s business.. one case in point: them knocking worldly careers and now there are thousands of destitute jws in senior years with nothing.. then in 2023 the religion does away with a century old teaching about counting hours in the ministry.

meanwhile, i got judged over this.

LongHairGal

I read something recently on Reddit (not sure what thread) where a person related how some JW told them that ‘they hold a grudge’.

This reminded me of something an old JW acquaintance said to me some years back when I related my bad experience in the religion.. So, apparently, Jehovah’s Witnesses feel they should be forgiven for ANYTHING. People should forget all about it and act like nothing happened and be charitable towards them, etc… When I read in James and Ephesians I got the sense ‘holding a grudge’ was referring to the things average people do to offend each other.. I don’t see it applying to a religion that claimed to speak for God and who engendered hateful and unchristian attitudes towards people.. I know because I experienced this.

In addition, some people’s lives were damaged by listening to faulty teachings and interference in things that were clearly none of anybody’s business.. One case in point: them knocking worldly careers and now there are thousands of destitute JWs in senior years with nothing.

Then in 2023 the religion does away with a century old teaching about counting hours in the ministry. Meanwhile, I got judged over this. I don’t know about anybody else, but this is not alright- not for people who sacrificed and did this.

Yeah, I hold a passive grudge in the sense that I could never forget that this could have been a nightmare for me if I had listened to them.. Sorry, but there’s no forgiveness as far as I am concerned for an immense sin of this nature.

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Key Criticisms of the Organization

by Vanderhoven7 in

just picked this summary up.

"some of the key criticisms that have been raised about the jehovah's witness organization include:.

strict control and authoritarianism: the organization is highly centralized, with major decisions being made by the governing body.

LongHairGal

VANDERHOVEN7:

All those points are true and show that the Witness religion is toxic on so many levels.

The most dangerous of these points in my opinion are: (6) restrictions on medical treatment; (4) child abuse cases; and (2) shunning practices which can lead to suicide.

The points I was affected by were the: (1) strict control and authoritarianism; and (3) suppression of free thought and questioning.. The busybodies in the religion tried to interfere in my personal life. They tried to pressure me to quit a full-time job in order to do the ‘approved’ housecleaning and pioneering.. I refused.

I also ran into problems with their suppression of free thought and questioning. Couldn’t help that I was a natural critical thinker and inquisitive person.. This didn’t go over well there!

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New instructions on not using sisters to manage KH computer ?

by fifth.column in

since covid in france, especially in the countryside with lack of brothers, it was quite common that some sisters were using the computer at the back of the kingdom hall to manage zoom session.. i heard a rumor that new instructions, maybe a july letter, stated that this was reserved for male only, even unbaptised publishers, but no sister if there is at least a male available.

that would be a steps back and disappointment for these sisters.

last week i heard at my mom’s house how they were happy that this service was available for them, a proof that the org was moving forward.

LongHairGal

FEDUP JW:

I know what you mean about cleaning toilets.

I might have helped cleaning a few times in the earlier years of my being in the JW religion - but thereafter I declined. Bullshit on that.

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Re-activate me?

by punkofnice in

there was a knock at my door and i thought it was my take-away being delivered.. long story short, it was 2 elders calling to see me.

i guess to re-activate me.

once they said who they were i recognised them.

LongHairGal

PUNK OF NICE:

I had JWs come to my door last summer (two brothers). I am a longtime ‘Fader’…

They were just in the area and weren’t specifically looking for me because nobody knows me here.. I was polite to them but told them plainly that I am Out and would not go back and would never tolerate JWs coming up to me asking for money.

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Greeting a person(who was removed from the congregation) at the Kingdom Hall now becomes a matter of conscience

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | august 2024. help for those who are removed from the congregation.

14 does what we have considered mean that we would completely ignore a person who has been removed from the congregation?

not necessarily.

LongHairGal

RULES & REGULATIONS:

Yes, all these changes are probably as a result of the JW lawyers advising them.

I was reading a Reddit post where somebody said some CO told an elder to reinstate as many disfellowshipped (um ‘removed’) people as they can.

The religion must be hurting with so many leaving! It didn’t seem so long ago that they were eager to disfellowship people from the religion.. They arrogantly imagined somebody was going to come crawling on their belly to come back. Meanwhile twisted idiots with an axe to grind would withhold reinstatement from somebody they didn’t like. They were playing ‘God’ with people’s lives.

Now they are begging people to come back! Years ago banks would offer free gifts as an incentive.🤣 Just kidding but you get my point.. The religion needs some ‘rice Christians’ to fill the empty seats there!

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Givers and Takers

by wanderlustguy in

jw
friends

i had a teacher in jr. high in my advanced education class talk about givers and takers as a subject.

looking back, perhaps she was going through a rough patchmakes me wonder.. this morning i had one of those moments of realization, basically from reviewing recent events, and even more so because i was mentally rehashing some conversations with someone who means a lot to me.

it dawned on me the role she has come to play in one of the major events of her life, as well as who she became because of it.

LongHairGal

HOSER:

I’m sorry this happened to you, but Jehovah’s Witnesses are Users with a Capital ‘U’.. I hope you did well and are okay all these years later.

It sounds like you were raised in.. I came in as a young working adult. Being from the ‘world’ 🙄, I was not raised a ‘people pleaser’, but was taught to look out for myself and therefore was less susceptible to the Users and opportunists in the Witness religion.. I was viewed negatively since I worked full-time, so I never gave handouts to pioneers who didn’t like me because I worked.. They could go ask somebody else for charity!….But I was hypersensitive to the issue and made sure if someone drove in FS I gave them money for gas or paid for their lunch.

So many problems now for older people because the religion told them not to get careers but to be in the ministry instead.👎

As an observer, I believe the JWs are a failing belief system and all the chickens are coming home to roost!! .. Armageddon didn’t come to save them from the fallout of failed predictions and faulty teachings… They have lawsuits galore and are changing teachings many people based their lives on and suffered for.👎 They look very bad.

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August WT: DF'ing renamed "Removed." AKA: GB re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

so: the mystery has been clarified as to more "new light" / clarifications of decades old doctrine and procedure.

august watchtower has finally been leaked.

disfellowshipping?

LongHairGal

WING COMMANDER & EVERYBODY:

I was just talking to an old friend who is also an ex-JW.

This person is beyond words and feels all these changes (and those yet to come) are meaningless after so much victimization, guilt and emotional distress.. I agree.. Nobody can ever get justice for what was done to them or what they experienced. Hell, the perpetrators could be dead. Even if they were alive, would you get an apology? No. Even if somebody did, it does not erase lost Time and lost potential, etc.. It cannot be undone.. So, I was shunned because I worked.. So what?.. (I’m Glad now actually!)

I know a lot of the people on the forum are ‘hoping’ for a kinder and reformed religion because they still want to belong to it. Maybe they have family there. Well, I wish them luck…I’m Glad I’m Out.

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The "Baby Boomers" are starting to die off, and the effects

by Captain Schmideo2 in

jw
friends

i was born in 1964, so, i was 10 when the buildup to 1975 was happening (and watched the subsequent failure of that).then, when i was a teenager, i got to see the fallour of the big apostacy events in the 1980s.during all of this, i was told by my parents and by people of my parents' peer group that "this old system won't last much longer, and won't the new system be great!

"it is now 2024. i am going to be 60 years old in a few months.

over half a century.my mom died two months after her 80th birthday last year, after suffering for years of chronic poor health (some of it brought on by a very sedentary lifestyle, but also plagued by emotional and mental issues and family drama which did not help overall.

LongHairGal

CAPTAIN SCHMIDEO2:

You are certainly correct that the person who warned them would be more hated than the crook who took their money.

To compare this to the JWs: at their 2023 annual meeting, the Jehovah’s Witnesses did away with their century old teaching about reporting hours on a time slip.. While this may make some happy because they no longer need to do it; what about those that DID do it for years instead of having a decent job and a retirement?

I was a person who worked full-time. I got judged over this.. I was a ‘low hour publisher’ who never got invited anywhere. Well, today I am delighted it turned out this way because where would I be if I had listened to the JWs and hardly worked??? They would certainly not be supporting me!.. They don’t even have social programs to help anybody. The few Witnesses I know who pioneered resent me for saying this !!

But, the reality is what it is.