They're always going on about how the Bible must be trustworthy partly because of the candor and honesty of the authors who didn't try to cover up their own mistakes... you'd think they would be keen to display that same quality themselves.
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changes in WT cd rom
by Lot incan any one please give me examples, if such exist, of substantial changes in the cd rom vs the hard copies of mags.
this would prove to be invaluable to me in helping my wife see the deception involved with the wts.
i say substantial because something that was obviously a mistake of minor importance could happen in any electronic transfer of data.. thanks so much,.
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**MUST READ** AlanF's email to Knocking.org
by sf inthis is a must-read that, hopefully, will stay an "active topic" for all seekers and lurkers, by bumping it to the top as often as possible.
alan wrote it in randys {dogpatch} thread regarding knocking.org documentary and in reply to the email mr. engardio sent to barbara anderson.
however, it is so vital a read that it indeed needs its own thread:.
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Great stuff. I like the quote by Carl Sagan. What did he mean by "They announced that the world _had_ in fact ended in 1914, and if the rest of us hadn't noticed, that was our lookout" ? I don't remember that. Did they actually say something like that, or is he just referring to their refusal to let go of 1914 as an important date?
P.S - bttt
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Evidence for the Exodus?
by Cardinal Fang inone for the historians here...
was round visiting my jw mother and bro (who stays with my folks when he's in the area working) the other night.
the conversation swung round to a documentary they'd been watching on video earlier that evening, supposedly putting forward all sorts of archaeological evidence for the exodus, including coral-encrusted remains of chariots at the bottom of the red sea, no less.
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Here's one claim about Ron Wyatt, who died in 1999:
"One of his more recent excavations led him to find the 'Ark of the Covenant' which is linked to actual site of the Crucifixion of Jesus. This included finding dried blood which when tested, was like no other blood ever found before on this earth. "
LOL
In case anyone's interested, the thing he said was so peculiar about the blood is that the cells were still alive, and they had only 24 chromosomes. 23 from the mother, and one Y chromosome.
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WT 6/1/05 Saved not by works alone.......
by jula71 inok, i got bored and pulled out the 6/1/05 wt and scanned through it.
one article grabbed my attention due to the fact it hit a topic i posted on last week, works.
its entitled saved, not by works alone, but by undeserved kindness.
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imagine Jesus standing there and checking through a list of monthly service records
...and being shocked and dismayed to discover that half of them were below the average.
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What pisses YOU off?
by RichieRich intoday has been a weird day.
nothing horrible.
just frustrating.
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This is a weird one - cheerful whistling. I have absolutely nothing against anyone being happy, and yet whenever I hear whistling I suddenly find myself wishing we could bring back public stonings.
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Do you "now" look for more reasons to dislike or hate the JW's?
by free2beme ini have noticed from reading over this site and from having contact with former witnesses in my personal life, that a lot of time is consumed in the beginning of your exit from the witnesses, with finding further reasons to hate or dislike the jehovah's witnesses.
with this i was wondering, is this done to give yourself more reason not to return or is it an expression of your freedom to find out what you want without borders.
from a pure psychological stand-point, i am prone to wonder if it is a means of feeding an inner anger to bring one a faults sense of security, when they are challenged from within to decide if what they are really dealing with is correct thinking or a path that is truly wrong.
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I have noticed from reading over this site and from having contact with former Witnesses in my personal life, that a lot of time is consumed in the beginning of your exit from the Witnesses, with finding further reasons to hate or dislike the Jehovah's Witnesses.
I can't speak for anyone else, but in my case it wasn't so much an effort to dig up dirt on the organization. It was a combination of:
- Ongoing interest in something that had been a big part of my life for a long time
- Less fear of looking at unapproved sources of information
- Less fear of coming to unapproved conclusions based on that information
If your information filters are removed, then of course you are going to start finding negative things that you didn't see before. How can you not?
What I wonder though, is it sound in mind to replace these doubts with something that makes us angry.
You don't necessarily have to react with anger and hatred. You might just feel relieved that you don't have to be afraid anymore. However unrelated those issues may be to your original doubts, they can serve as reminders that the organization is just like any other, and that their opinions are to be feared the same as any other.
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Suggest titles for next year's WTS books!
by Nathan Natas inkiss hank's ass with us!
is dub-worthy, though short by fred franz' standards.
what titles would you like to see?
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ISOLATION The Elder's Pocket Guide to Effective Milieu Control
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WHY INVITE A ZEBRA INTO THE PARLOR?
by Terry inthere has to be a good reason to invite a zebra into the parlor.
what is the reason?
now, don't say, "i don't have a parlor", because that is dodging the question.
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To keep your wildebeest company.
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The sins of scripture by John Shelby Spong
by moanzy inhas anyone read this book?
john shelby spong is a retired bishop who is trying to expose what religion has done to scripture by how they interpret them.
in chapter 25 on the bible and certainty he writes " my contention, which i will seek to defend in this section of the book, is that the moment any religious tradition claims certaintly, it turns demonic.
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I've not read that particular book, but I have read a few other books of his in which he raises those same issues. "Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism" is a good read. He explains that Western readers make a huge mistake in trying to understand the Bible literally, when much of it it was intended to be understood in terms of the midrashic style in which was written. He likens the Bible to treasure in an earthen vessel. The treasure, the underlying message, is sacred; whereas the vessel, the stories which encapsulate the message, are not and were never meant to be. Personally, I don't really care whether Spong is right about this or not - the point is, he presents a different way of thinking about it, and that's always a good thing.
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Showey Display
by LouBelle inright so i have a younger cousin that works with me (helped him get a job with my company because in s.a you gotto pray you know someone who can help you get a job).
as you know i've left the borg - he's still very much into it.
so yesturday myself, him & a mutual college go off for a lunch at the keg - we order our food and when it comes, he bows his head and prays....silenty - the waitress comes over and thinks he's fallen asleep (narcarpsy sp???
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Where does the whole "pray before each meal" thing come from, anyway? Is it actually in the Bible?