does your conscience torment you knowing that you are misleading the flock of god as you continue teaching them the heresies of the watchtower society?.
why are you staying in the organization and posting here at the same time?.
do you really believe that you can help your families to reject the watchtower society while remaining an elder and visibly appearing to support their lies and false teachings?.
I say, kudos to you guys who do it. Talk about making a rod for your own back! It can't be easy, but it's the only chance of getting your loved ones out with you.
Paralipomenon cracked me up! Thanks mate.
Changeling, the alternative in most cases is losing the wife and kids. Give them a break.
recently an elder called mike's mob phone wanting to speak to me, the only person who could have passed on that info was my elder dad.
mike has been waiting for my dad to call him to arrange to see the kids, as he wont deal with me at all.
so mike said to him i dont appreciate you giving our number out to the elders, we want nothing to do with them or your religion etc... mike than called me and said there was so much more i wanted to tell him.. i get a phone call about 30 mins later, mike had rang my dad and said if you want to see your grandkids then there are a few rules you will need to follow, 1. dont ever give out our personal details (which my dad apologised for and acknowldeged that he shouldnt have done that ) and 2. if you want to see your grandkids you need to speak to your daughter, you can msg her phone or even speak to her.
HOORAY!!! Way to go Mike! It really needed saying.
You four are such a precious little family. I'm glad that he's not going to take that crap anymore. I've only just realised that's what I'm getting Ben to do - on the Perth trip we just got back from I got him to sms the siblings to say we're in town and would they like to meet him. From now on if I have anything to say to them (I don't) I'll just tell them myself. Playing by their rules helps them believe they're right. I'm not going to tolerate abnormal weird behaviour anymore. I'd edit the rules to say that you reserve the right to change them anytime. And that they never get to see the kids unless one or both of you or Mike are there to make sure they don't put them through anything weird. Don't kid yourself about the games they think they can get away with.
It's great that Mike has drawn the line - make sure you back him up on it! If they want to see your gorgeous kids they have to behave like normal people and be kind to you, their mother. Letting them disrespect you is sending the kids a bad message. Make sure the kids know that you're a family, and you all stick up for each other. If somebody is being mean to one of you, they have to take you all on!
I miss you guys!
anyone on the board from sydney, australia?
i am looking into maybe relocating there from the us.
i am an accountant and that is one profession that has a shortage over there.
I'm in Canberra. There's this rivalry between Sydney and Melbourne (where I used to live). I love them both equally. Sydney is frantic, where Melbourne is homey. That said, the lifestyle factor in Sydney only really kicks in in the inner suburbs - commuters have a miserable time. Traffic and trains suck.
Beautiful harbour though.
i've long known, and most of you probably have as well, that there was something not all there with me.
mostly i put it down to me being bad.
questions i've never been asked before.
Hi Crumpet, and congratulations on your diagnosis! (if that makes sense?) I remember a doctor asking me 'have you ever been diagnosed with depression before', making it seem like it's just a flu or something that I'll get over if I treat it right. That was liberating.
I went on antidepressants for two or three years (can't remember). It was only a couple of months before I realised that I was making progress with my problems because the meds were taking care of the symptoms - the massive lows. I can relate to a lot of those symptoms you listed. It's occurred to me that I might have some degree of bipolar, but I was always a bit worried about looking into it. I wanted to thank you for posting your news. I should get it checked (like the funny-looking freckle on my shoulder).
One in three adults develop a mental illness. Isn't it great to know how completely normal you are?!
I'm glad you still float around here when you're down. I missed you!
so we were just freinds.
i was just becoming good freinds with her best freind's brother, which is now gone.
so i smile back and say "good, not much.
You won't like this, but my opinion is that she is a turd. She might not deliberately be mean, immature and brutal, but she is those things anyway. You can do far better. But I'm sorry you're so blue about it. Some people stay in our heads for far longer than they deserve. I've been blissfully married for a couple of years and just this morning I woke up from a dream about some old JW friends including one guy I held such a bright torch for, for a couple of years. He was a turkey, and I knew it, and just couldn't get him out of my head back then. I was surprised how vividly that feeling came back in the dream. The dream ended with all those mates of mine telling me in song that they knew I didn't believe it all and had to move on. They were smiling when they sang it, slapping each other on the back.
They're all turds - in a few years you'll be in a position to get on with your life without them. In the meantime hang in there little bro!!
...sent me a photo of himself with a goatee and a shaved head!
is this acceptable?.
threestars, of the "hoping to get her baby brother back class".
Cool! Congratulate him on his new look. Yeah it would be good to have them back, but keep living in the meantime; everybody has their own pace.
does doing what is right in god's eyes mean we have to use only bible terms?
i know the organization is not perfect.
is there strong evidence that he has his people here on earth that although not perfect, are doing his will?
Thanks mate, glad it's working out for you. All the best.
hey guys.. sometimes im really next to crying (better: im crying).
no answer.
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maybe asking how they can help me or asking if they can go into service with me
You can deflect anything like that politely: "that's a very kind offer, brother, but I feel at this time that I'm not really in a position to do that... I feel that I need to study this and pray to Jehovah for guidance..." The key is to always be kind, polite, humble, and grateful for the help and support they provide.
Unfortunately, for the big questions: ("Do you still believe in the FDS", etc.) you have to practice saying "Of course!!" with wide eyes like you're surprised that anybody could even think that.
It does feel ugly and wrong to play that game, but you're going to have to sacrifice a small part of your integrity to keep your family.
hey guys.. sometimes im really next to crying (better: im crying).
no answer.
" no answer.
Hey there freeme, and welcome! It isn't as bad as you think. She's on alert now but this isn't something that you can keep inside forever and remain healthy. In a relationship, both parties need to be able to express themselves and be heard. She needs to toughen up about what you talk about. This is crucial for your future together; you may not know what you want now, but you should be aiming for a relationship in which each respects the other, whatever their choices are. Be gentle, because you're the one changing the relationship from what she thought she was getting into (the old three-cord marriage) to something she's been taught to despise, but whatever it takes, aim for honesty and openness from each of you.
You're a step ahead of her because you know where she's coming from; you know that now she's going to be anxious about you becoming an apostate and not supporting her. Every day, be loving, gentle and kind. Make her love you so much that she chooses you over them.
being bereft of my wbts cd, can somebody who has the inclination (we'll call her blondie .
can somebody else pm me the location of an online version of the cd, so i can look this stuff up for myself?
much obliged.
That 1975 article is impressively compassionate. And published in such an interesting year...
