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  Finally, I found the REAL truth!

  by N at H in

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  hello everyone, just wanted to say hello and let you know a bit about my story and tell you how thankful i am that i found this site!.

  i was never a baptized jw although in the early 90's i studied for about 3 years and was an un-baptized publisher for about 1 year before my doubts about some of the beliefs and also my inability to overlook the constant hypocracy of the elders did me in.

  sadly it was not before i dragged the love of my life into it, and also my sister (they are both baptized although she left after seeing the elders double standards when it came to doling out counsel/punishment to their own families, he is still in) anyway even though i couldn't bring myself to commit to the org because of the crap i saw going on in the 2 different halls i attended i still believed it was the truth...what an idiot!

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  luna2

  Hi N@H! You are the smart one! Wish I'd been as clear-sighted. Welcome to the board.
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  Watchtower Bait and switch

  by Elsewhere in

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  http://www.joplinindependent.com/display_article.php/muzikmav1120244929

  jehovah's witless victims

  updated: 2005-07-01 14:08:49-05

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  luna2

  Billygoat...so true! It's just pathetic, isn't it?

  When it's all laid out there in black and white, with all of the frills and sparkly sequins stripped off and no odd, mystical, pseudo-Biblical language (a la Watchtower mags) to enthrall and entice us to buy, it's pretty easily seen as an old pile of worthless rubbish.
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  Just curious

  by pratt1 in

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  since this is the 4th of july weekend, do any of you display the american flag in or around you home?.

  i have to admit, although i have been faded for many years, i find it difficult to even own anything with the american flag symbol.

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  luna2

  I'm still working through this.

  Growing up, my father was nutsy about the 4th of July. We had a flagpole in the front yard and displayed a flag everyday, but on the 4th he'd run up this extra big flag, put flag decorations all around the roofline of our wrap-around porch, and get the stereo speakers placed carefully in their outside locations so he could blare John Philip Sousa marches throughout the neighborhood. We'd go to the local parade, then the family and neighbors would come over for a big BBQ, a trip to the local park to view the town fireworks, then back to the house for our own firework display. It was obviously a very big holiday at our house.

  I went from that to full-stop nothing...don't own a flag, don't stand up for a flag, no singing the Nat'l Anthem, no saying the Pledge as it's all evil nationalistic worship and an insult to Jehovah.

  Right now it's a big deal to plan to go see some fireworks and watch Music Man when I get home. LOL
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  Were You Ever Really Happy or Joyful While a Witness?

  by minimus in

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  i think most jws have never really experienced "real" joy or happiness in the jw environment.

  i don't think programmed mind controlled people can relate to "normal" things that make the average person happy.

  what do you think?

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  luna2

  I was happy in the beginning because I thought I'd found something real and special and magically delicious.

  I'd just come out of an unhappy marriage that had been a huge mistake almost from the very beginning, and after nine years of emotional trauma, Jahoobe's Witlesses looked pretty dang good. They all lurved me and wanted to be my friend. Jah lurved me and wanted me and my kids to live forever. All the bad people (like my ex) would either get nice or be poofed out of existance (which was ever so much more kind and loving than letting the Debbel roast their cookies over an open flame for all eternity). Also, if I lived through the big A, I might even have a chance at finding a husband that might actually sorta like me even. WhooHoo!

  Seemed like a pretty cool set up until stupid reality began poking holes in my happy delusions. Sad thing is that that started happening even before I got baptised but I kept making excuses because I didn't want to give up the dream of living forever in a petting zoo.
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  Isn't caffeine a drug?

  by Fatfreek in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  during the early days of the wt tobacco ban i can recall the six month (or so) leeway period in which baptized ones who were still using tobacco could quit those nasty habits.

  i also recall one of those elderly brothers at that time who always reeked of smoke on his breath and his clothes.

  i actually felt sorry for this smoker who had done this since childhood.

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  luna2

  Well, that's interesting. I had no idea they'd taken a position on caffeine at all. Guess if you aren't going to ban alcohol, it's pretty tough to come down too hard on coffee, tea and sodas.

  Some people cannot consume any honey at all. Similarly, for health reasons some may need to avoid alcohol, caffeine, dairy products, or other foods and beverages. Others may avoid such things by personal choice or because of widespread local sensitivity, not wanting to offend anyone. This reminds us of the apostle Paul’s comment: "If food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat flesh at all, that I may not make my brother stumble."—1 Corinthians 8:13.

  What does that mean? Sometimes this stumble bumble stuff wears me out.
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  I'm leaving on Monday...

  by jaffacake in

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  my wife has been off work through illness for over a year, so before she goes back, we're gonna have a short family holiday.

  we got a cheap last minute holiday...to egypt, so we're quite excited.

  i'm gonna take my tape-measure and double check the length of the main passageway in the great pyramid at giza.

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  luna2

  Have a wonderful time! What an exotic local. Have fun measureing the pyramid! LOL
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  please send me good luck vibes

  by kittyeatzjdubs in

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  hey guyzos!!!

  i haven't posted in awhile...it's been crazy here at work.

  i found a car that i must have!!!!.

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  luna2

  Sending oodles of good vibes, kitty! Hope you get your car.
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  ...and besides, who cares about Wimbledon, anyway?

  by prophecor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i do now, the agressive competition of the women playing tennis something excitng to watch.

  the williams sister and shrapova are giving an excellent show.

  i never knew professional tennis could be so exciting.

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  luna2

  Those Williams sisters are very exciting to watch....now that I think on it, I haven't watched tennis in a very long time either. I used to always try to catch Wimbledon.
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  How/Why were the Jehovah Witnesses chosen?

  by Hondo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am not a jw, never have been, but lost my wife (a japanese national) to them in 2003. i have been in and out of some of these forums trying to learn as much as possible about what drove my ex-wife to, for the most part, reject me and take her jw congragation as her new family, her new counselors, her new best friends, etc.

  a jw doctrine that has always bugged me is the belief that jesus came to earth in 1918/19, or there-a-bouts, and chose them as his one and only representative orgainization on earth (i think i have it right).

  some may take this the wrong way, as it may sound a bit glib, and i apologise in advance if this is the case and i offend anyone, but my ex-wife truely believes, no matter that she can't explain why (and maybe this is my answer.

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  I'm sorry that your wife got sucked into the quicksand of Jehovah's Witnesses....and that your marriage suffered enough from her conversion that it ended. There are more than a couple of people here that have dealt with this or are dealing with it now.

  When I was first contacted (via the door to door work), I had just moved to a new home, in a new town with my two young children. My husband (soon to be ex-husband) was not with us as he was finishing out his remaining few months at Ft. Wainwright, Alaska, and would soon head down to Ft. Benning, GA for more training. Our marriage, never strong, was wobbling again, and I was worried about that and stressed about all the changes.

  I been doing a lot of thinking about the future, the Bible, what our ultimate destiny was, Armegeddon, and other things of a spiritual nature. The question the "sister" who knocked on my door first asked was what I thought Armegeddon was and if I thought it was going to happen soon!!! OMG! Here I was just pondering this very thing. Could God have sent this person to my door?! (yes, I was that pathetic)

  I invited her in and we started talking. She had answers for everything. She seemed to understand the Bible as a whole, both old and new Testaments. This was very different from what I was used to. The church I attended growing up had always seemed puzzled by the Bible and didn't quite know how to teach it. I was so excited to be getting so much information about God and Jesus, why we were here on Earth, why there was so much evil in the world...blah, blah, blah. It gave me a purpose. Something to study, a future that I could control based upon my own actions. Wow! Heady stuff.

  We did not discuss much about JW history. Sister S would mention some things in passing...some things I didn't even understand the importance of at the time, like that Charles T. Russell (who is credited as the founder of the organization, though it has changed so completely from his time that I doubt he would recognize it now) celebrated Christmas and had a fascination with pyramids (among other things, but those things we didn't go into) that had come to be understood as incorrect thinking. It was impressed upon me almost from that very first discussion on, that what set JW's apart was their willingness to see the errors in their doctrine and to correct such...eventually. This was and is called "new light" and is a rather clever way of diffusing criticism from the members when a change is made. I thought that this made JW's the neatest religion on the face of the earth. Oh, the honesty! *snort*

  Unfortunately, I accepted this version of Watchtower history, accepted the explanations for why some things had changed over time, and did no further research on my own. I was enamored of the promise of living forever on a paradise earth with the majority of human kind. Inconsistancies or nagging doubts about how this would be possible were easily disbursed by the all-encompassing mantle of "Jehovah will make it work even if we can't quite understand how at the present time".

  One of the lynch-pins of JW chronology and that which they say points to them as God's chosen people and his organization here on earth, is the 1914 doctrine. Somehow, C.T. Russell, through his connections to 2nd Day Adventists and some mathmatical gymnastics using prophecies in Daniel, eventually (they had a couple of obvious misses in dating) came up with the year 1914 as being a pivotal year in history...and they got lucky. WWI began that year and could be pointed to as prophecy fulfilled. More in depth discussion on 1914 to be found here:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/78776/1.ashx

  For more in-depth discussions on a number of topics check out the Best of series of threads from this board: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/32/default.ashx

  People have different reasons for finding the promises of Jehovah's Witnesses enticing. Mostly its very exciting to think you've stumbled upon the TRUTH (like, OMG, I must have some special quality that Jehovah is looking for!!!) and to join this exclusive little club with this important worldwide mission. Makes a body feel pretty dang important and that's hard to beat.
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  5 JW's DEAD 3 HURT BAD convention crash!

  by DannyHaszard in

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  5 dead, 3 injured in i-10 rollover

  arizona daily star - jul 01 3:21 am

  five people died and three were injured in a rollover crash on interstate 10 east of willcox, officials said thursday.

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  luna2

  What a tragic thing.