It took a whole 2-3 minutes for them to agree that the Catholic church was apostate?! Wow! usually only takes my jw a whole 1-2 seconds! They couldn't understand what you are saying? I know that far to well. Daughter just experienced first hand for the first time! She is quite bright and recently had a conversation with the said jw. She tells me the next day, " I've never had a conversation like that in my whole life!" He didn't get one thing I said? She did however 'stump' him a number of times!!! Good for her! But, sadly, the next day apparently everything was forgotten by him. It all just went right over his head and asked her some REALLY stupid things the next day. You may say there are no stupid questions. I normally would agree. However, you will have to trust me, on a personal level, beyond stupid. Now we can both share that same wall to bang our heads against! sadly, carla